[maemo-community] maemo.org redesign

[From: Tim]

Hi,

> Hi, proposal for the hybrid solution:
> 
> http://wiki.maemo.org/images/8/80/Maemo-org-joint-mockup.png

I see what you're going for, but it seems   like a LOT of content for a
"home" page.

> also the second, third... don't you think?

Sure, that's true. :)

> I like the graphical part, but it is another proposal that leaves more
> real state to static information than to dynamic information.

I disagree here -- the entire right side is about dynamic content. But,
your latest mock-up makes me think differently: you basically want a
mash-up of Planet & Downloads (with a couple of additional links)?

Tim



On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 10:21:42 +0300
Quim Gil <quim.gil at nokia.com> wrote:

> Hi, proposal for the hybrid solution:
> 
> http://wiki.maemo.org/images/8/80/Maemo-org-joint-mockup.png
> 
> No boring and no overwhelming, useful the first time you visit it and
> also the second, third... don't you think?
> 
> Highlights:
> 
> - No design, no wording: look only at the modules and how they relate
> to each other. Also no necessary endorsement to the sections in the
> top navigation bar. This will come later once we have agreed on the
> structure of the home.
> 
> - Downloads is the most prominent item because at the end this is what
> matters most for new users, regular users, developers...
> 
> - ... together with people, because this is the only thing that you
> really need in a real community - and we have a real and exciting
> community.
> 
> - News because they tell you what these people and these projects are
> doing. Nowadays they are quite developer oriented but this is just a
> consequence of the current blogs aggregated and the people that rates
> them.
> 
> These 3 dynamic items below tell you also implicitly how you can get
> started as an active contributor: downloads, rates, hearts, a picture
> and an intro in your profile...
> 
> The right column shows the static blocks that provide the basic
> pointers for newcomers: about, support, developers, get involved
> (again, wording is not relevant now).
> 
> At the bottom, pointers to the related sites: maemo.nokia.com, Forum
> Nokia and ITt. In the final design they could/should have a tagline to
> know what to expect in each one.
> 
> ext Tim wrote:
> > Here is an idea from me...
> > 
> > The first is the "home" page:
> > 
> >     http://samoff.maemobox.org/maemo_redesign/samoff-maemo.org-redesign_idea_0006.png
> 
> I like the graphical part, but it is another proposal that leaves more
> real state to static information than to dynamic information. I think
> that nowadays this is unexciting both for new and regular users.
> Unless you want to make a marketing site of a static product, which
> is not our case.
> 
> > 
> > As you'll see, I've taken much of Andrew Flegg's idea (and a few
> > others) and designed it more around the "community" aspect
> > (likewise, I designed it so that most of the "important" info can
> > be seen on the tablet's screen without scrolling. The text needs a
> > little more thought (especially the intro -- which was taken from
> > the current maemo.org site), but it's close. Many of the "links"
> > are redundant, but I think that's important -- we need to do what
> > we can to guide new users into community participation. /(Note that
> > the upper header should butt-up against the top of the browser
> > window, rather than float a few pixels under it like most browsers
> > insist on displaying images.)/
> > 
> > The second is the right sidebar from the above example (admittedly,
> > taken from my Community Improvement idea on the wiki):
> > 
> >     http://samoff.maemobox.org/maemo_redesign/samoff-maemo.org-redesign_idea_0006-sidebar.png
> > 
> > It shows what could be done in that space with a variety of
> > information-types.
> > 
> > Tim
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > 
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     *Subject: *Re: maemo.org redesign
> >     *From:  *Dave Neary <dneary at maemo.org>
> >     *To: *"List for community development"
> > <maemo-community at maemo.org> *Date: *10/01/2008 10:38 am
> > 
> > 
> >     Hi again,
> > 
> >     Quim Gil wrote:
> >     > I wonder how useful is to prioritize users that don't know
> >     > what is
> >     Maemo
> >     > or why they ended up in our website.
> > 
> >     Let me just reiterate the various use-cases which I think we
> > need to address in maemo.org:
> > 
> >     * A tablet user is looking for software to install on his tablet
> >     * A developer is interested in developing or porting an
> > application to Maemo
> >     * An enthusiast is looking for ways he can participate, give
> > feedback, complain and contribute to the direction of the project
> >     * An existing community member, the press or an interested
> > by-stander wants to find out what's new & what's been happening in
> > the community
> >     * An existing developer is looking for some reference
> > documentation
> >     * A tablet user has a problem he wants help fixing
> >     * Community members want to communicate with the rest of the
> > community
> > 
> >     Of these, all will know what the tablet is, but roughly
> > speaking you can break them into 2 groups: those who are already
> > part of the Maemo community and those who aren't (in Berlin, you
> > referred to this as "people who know where they're going and people
> > who don't").
> > 
> >     Not community members:
> >     * Downloading software
> >     * Looking for news & info (press, by-stander)
> >     * Wants to give feedback and contribute
> >     * Looking for help getting started with development
> >     * Has a problem that he wants help with
> > 
> >     Community members:
> >     * Looking for news (community member)
> >     * Looking for reference documentation
> >     * Wants to communicate
> > 
> >     Each one of those non-community-members (with the possible
> > exception of the ones downloading software and those looking for
> > info on what is Maemo and what's new) have a high potential of
> > becoming community members. Someone who gets help on a forum or in
> > Bugzilla might stick around to help others. A developer looking for
> > docs on getting started or a contributor looking to complain about
> > his pet feature is someone ready to engage the community. And I
> > believe we need to cater to those more than the existing community
> > member.
> > 
> >     I hope this clear things up - I hope you'll see that you're
> > being unfair in suggesting that I think we should prioritise
> > "people who don't know what Maemo is" - I think we should focus on
> > people who know what Maemo is, but don't know where they're going.
> > 
> >     > You and me know the problem very well: is
> >     > http://www.gnome.org/
> >     homepage
> >     > showing how exciting is to be part of the GNOME community?
> > 
> >     I agree that the GNOME site has many problems. Most of them
> > come from the fact that on the front page, no-one has analysed the
> > type of person who might arrive there, and the types of questions
> > they might have that would need answering.
> > 
> >     > You tell me my proposal is overloaded, I tell you your
> >     > proposal is oversimplistic... They are different approaches
> >     > and we need to
> >     agree on
> >     > the approach we want, or go for a tender based on both
> >     > models. :/
> >     >
> >     > But I insist on one thing: "a new user coming into the site
> >     > who
> >     doesn't
> >     > know what is are looking for" shouldn't be our primary focus.
> > 
> >     Let me put it differently - I think that the site needs to
> > focus more on potential community members than existing community
> > members.
> > 
> >     Cheers,
> >     Dave.
> > 
> >     -- 
> >     maemo.org docsmaster
> >     Email: dneary at maemo.org
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