[maemo-community] Election process referendum

[From: Tim]

Uh oh...  I see impeachment coming my way: I too think Starship
Troopers was highly entertaining.

Tim

P.S. Honeestly, if it were up to me, I'd say that registering -- even
on election day -- grants the right to vote. 



On Mon, 2 Feb 2009 17:05:00 -0500
Benson Mitchell <benson.mitchell at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Graham Cobb
> <g+770 at cobb.uk.net<g%2B770 at cobb.uk.net>
> > wrote:
> 
> > On Monday 02 February 2009 20:12:29 Ryan Abel wrote:
> > > On Feb 2, 2009, at 9:12 AM, Graham Cobb wrote:
> > > > Maybe
> > > > that is the way it should be: maybe the council **should**
> > > > represent contributors rather than users, but we should at
> > > > least get the opinion of the
> > > > users on whether they care.
> > >
> > > Dave also hit the nail on the head here, but I'll elaborate a bit.
> > >
> > > The Council isn't in place as a consumer activism group. We're
> > > here for the *community* and its members (i.e., contributors),
> > > which is only a subset of all users (i.e., owners).
> >
> > When I said "users" I didn't mean tablet users, I meant Maemo.org
> > users, who I
> > consider to be just as much members of the community as the
> > contributors. Are you suggesting the "community" in my local small
> > town only consists of the shopkeepers?   There are well over a
> > thousand (probably many more -- I got bored flicking through the
> > pages in the user listing) people with Maemo accounts and fewer
> > than 25 karma points.  Many more than have more than 25 points.
> >
> > All these people have visited maemo.org and created accounts.  Why
> > should the
> > council only represent people who contribute to the Maemo
> > community, not all
> > those who are trying to use our downloads, our documentation, our
> > community-contributed software, our forums, etc?
> >
> > I'm not saying that the council is doing a bad job of dealing with
> > those people's concerns (the new site, the debmaster, all these
> > things are helping
> > those users) but why on earth don't they get a vote?
> >
> > I must admit, I completely fail to see why we do not give a vote to
> > anyone who
> > has a maemo.org account.  Can someone explain the rationale?
> 
> Because I like Starship Troopers?
> 
> Because you don't want me signing up 300 accounts and electing myself?
> 
> Because handing control to clueless people who have no stake in the
> outcome is asking for problems down the road.
> 
> (Two of those are serious, the other one is only tangentially
> related. ;)
> 
> Also, all developers, bughounds, and other contributors _are_ users
> as well, so I'm not seeing any concerns that leeches would have
> uniquely, so the loss is not perhaps as serious as you're thinking.
> 
> Benson
>