[maemo-community] Sprint Task Status Update SSO

[From: Valerio Valerio]

Hi,

I agree with some of your points, special Alan's idea of add the task ID's
in the Qaiku's. Also agree that task owners should change the task status
more often or at least before the meetings, more than that is too much IMHO.

I trust people, as long they report back in the end of the month is enough
for me, besides that I can found any of the task owners in IRC and ask about
the tasks. We really want more than that ? Would people care about other
kind of reports ? Don't think so.
We should let people do the actual work and discard boring things like long
reports.


On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 10:07 PM, penguinbait <matthew at penguinbait.com>wrote:

> Thank you Ferenc.
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> On 11/05/2009 05:04 PM, Ferenc Szekely wrote:
> Things started to move forward this week only. Yesterday I sent an email
> about our current server map to the ISP and reported it in #maemork [1].
> Did you miss it?
>
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> http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/view/1dec9b12cc931c8c9b111dea843f1561d5250d250d2/
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> I actually did not miss it, however I just don't know what that means in
> the scope of the project, so it really means nothing to me?  That's what I
> am trying to convey.  Is there a delivery date?  Are there anticipated
> tasks? Is this one of them? ->  "Sent out a doc about current servers to the
> new ISP. This should help them planning. 9.10-07"   I understand you cannot
> share all details of what you may be working on, I guess I am looking for
> perhaps a timeline for each of the tasks?
>

Don't see any relevance in the info above for the community, this is
internal stuff. IMHO we should try to avoid the 'boss role' at any cost.

>
> I am not trying to pick on Ferenc, he was just the next task on the list I
> was sent to.  Since SSO cannot be implemented until migration to the new
> server and upgrade of migard is complete.
>
> Again I was only looking for a way to find out whats going on and if I
> could help in any way.  I am not trying to pick on anyone or point any
> fingers, I am just wondering if there is a better way to report sprint
> tasks?  I think any priority "MUST" task should have a timeline or at least
> an anticipated completion date?  If your waiting for another task to
> complete before your task can continue, you should have a timeline or an
> amount of days needed to complete your task once the other task is
> completed.
>

There's a lot of tasks where you can help (and other community members as
well), but this one ? Where you think you can help ? Perhaps we can point
you to the right place to help on that :).

>
> How do you know when anything is going to be done or if its behind
> schedule?


Again "boss role", there's a lot of factors that can delay a task, I think
people know how to prioritize his work.

IMHO people interested in take tasks or help in some particular task should
attend the meetings or discuss the task before the meeting, or even just do
the task, no need to be in the sprint page, anyone can help. It's bad make
pressure on people, we're all in the same boat and should work all in the
same direction.

Best regards,

-- 
Valério Valério

http://www.valeriovalerio.org

 How do I know if 5% of a sprint task is 1 day or 10 days. Maybe you have
> this information its just not published? Maybe I am just looking at this the
> wrong way?
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> Matt Lewis
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> On 11/05/2009 05:04 PM, Ferenc Szekely wrote:
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>> Hello,
>>
>> penguinbait wrote:
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>>> OK, so I now go look at 9.10-07
>>> 9.10-07         Server migration        Must    Ferenc
>>> <http://maemo.org/profile/view/feri/>   0%      Servers will be
>>> available in
>>> November only.
>>>
>>> Why will Servers be available in November only?  Is there a purchase
>>> your waiting for, a delivery, some code to move, what does this mean?
>>> To me a migration consists of plenty of steps prior to getting a
>>> physical box.  I assume ideas and plans for the migration have been
>>> discussed and laid out, wouldn't this be greater than 0%.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I don't know if all the HW is available at the ISP, but what I was told
>> is that they will start putting the machines to the rack, connecting
>> cables, setting up firewalls, routers, other network elements in
>> November. Why? Probably due to paper work between them an Nokia, perhaps
>> some resource scheduling, perhaps delayed purchasing. All the work I did
>> regarding migration in October was a meeting with Tero and commenting on
>> a preliminary server map written by the ISP (comments: 2-3 sentences in
>> an email). I don't consider this a progress, hence 0% reported. For
>> obvious reasons we do not review server plans in the public. For other
>> reasons the guys from the new ISP will not report progress publicly.
>>
>> Things started to move forward this week only. Yesterday I sent an email
>> about our current server map to the ISP and reported it in #maemork [1].
>> Did you miss it?
>>
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>>> I went to the maemork and read, but I don't see anything about these
>>> tasks, nothing informative anyway.
>>>
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>>>
>> You found nothing about server move, because nothing happened. It is no
>> one's fault. I am on alert with a couple of guys and will be installing
>> services as soon as we get the machines. The community will hear from
>> the progress.
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>>> I guess I am looking for a way to actually see whats going on without
>>> asking different people questions about every task in the list.  It
>>> would be much cleaner to periodically report status and in one location,
>>> which would also save on mis-communication and perceived attitudes when
>>> people ask questions.
>>>
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>>>
>> The #maemork channel [2] on qaiku.com is the place for "semi real time"
>> status reporting, isn't it? Personally I don't mind copy-pasting my
>> qaiku messages to an email, if somebody would prefer that. I just see no
>> added value in it.
>>
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>>> This all stemmed from me trying to get involved to help in any way with
>>> the SSO task as it is VERY important to ME.  I finally found out that
>>> the task is actually not 0% and its waiting for another task to
>>> complete.  So prior to sending out an email to Ferenc asking if there
>>> was anyway I could help with that task, I decided to find out what the
>>> heck I am supposed to be reading to find this out.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> SSO: please talk to Daniel [3] and Alexey [4]. I am not involved with
>> SSO. One thing for sure: server migration comes without SSO.
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>>> I point this out as I believe I am far from the only one with this
>>> confusion and I think its an obstacle to getting more people involved on
>>> a project or task.  Furthermore I really don't think 4-5 edits in a wiki
>>> a month is too much to ask for.  Although hating wiki's myself, I am not
>>> against another form to provide status updates, as long as they are
>>> consistent among tasks and easy to find.
>>>
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>>>
>> I always report _if_ there is progress made.
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>>> As a council member, I believe its my job to get more people and the
>>> right people involved in the tasks that I think benefit the community.
>>> The difficulty became for me finding out what people are working on and
>>> what roadblocks or obstacles are in there way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Sure thing, I know the rules. Talking about myself only: I am happy to
>> inform you, or anybody about my tasks, progress, whatever related to
>> Maemo. I did not receive many questions about my activities in the past,
>> maybe this will change now. No problem, I will be happy answering your
>> questions. If I am not able to answer I will tell you whom else to
>> contact ;)
>>
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>>> While I do not want to become another obstacle to any task, I would like
>>> to see more informative status updates be placed into the Sprint pages.
>>> Especially on any sprint task with the priority of "must".
>>>
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>>>
>> Agreed.
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>>> Matt Lewis
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>> Br,
>> ferenc
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>> [1]
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>> http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/view/1dec9b12cc931c8c9b111dea843f1561d5250d250d2/
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>> [2] maemork - status reports from maemo staff
>> http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork
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>> [3] Daniel's maemo profile
>> http://maemo.org/profile/view/danielwilms/
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>> [4] Alexey's maemo profile
>> http://maemo.org/profile/view/indeyets/
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