[maemo-community] Brainstorm: useful?

[From: Randall Arnold]

> ----- Original message ----- 
> From: "Quim Gil" <quim.gil at nokia.com>
> To: "List for community development" <maemo-community at maemo.org>
> Subject: Re: Brainstorm: useful?
> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:31:19 +0200
> 
> 
> Ping? Not a single answer or apparent progress in 3 weeks? It would be
> good to know at least whether you find my feedback sensible or not.
> 
> --
> Quim Gil
> open source advocate
> Maemo Devices @ Nokia
> 
> 

Yikes!  The email originally arrived when I was having severe trouble with accessing Brainstorm.  I will revisit this ASAP.

Randy

> 
> Quim Gil wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > ext Henri Bergius wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> The new Brainstorm UI is available for testing on internal now (for
> >> those who have access there).
> >
> > fwiw, copying here the feedback sent to Oskari. I also moved
> > http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/landing_in_brainstorm/ to
> > Under Development.
> >
> > ext Oskari Kokko wrote:
> >>> Hi
> >>>
> >>> The new UI for brainstorm is now in testing-phase on internal.
> >
> > Feedback on the basic things:
> >
> > Checking the URL as anonymous throws plenty of errors
> >
> > Warning:
> > call_user_func(net_nehmer_comments_comment::get_parent_guid_uncached_static)
> > [function.call-user-func]: First argument is expected to be a valid
> > callback in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on
> > line 465
> >
> > They disappear if you log in.
> >
> >>> What's done at this point:
> >>> * New navigation
> >
> > The concept is good, but about the presentation we agreed on using the
> > right column, getting rid of the Community navigation ("Mailing lists",
> > "Wiki" etc).
> >
> > The items could be sorted this way in the column:
> >
> > ABOUT BRAINSTORM
> > "This text is intented to be short welcoming text. You can edit this
> > from component configuration. <link>More</link> (HIDE)
> >
> > MY BRAINSTORMS
> > Proposals: 0
> > Solutions: 0
> > Thumbs Up: 0
> > Thumbs Down: 0
> >
> > NEW PROPOSAL
> >
> > SHOW (Feed icon)
> >
> > Category
> > All ^
> >
> > Status
> > All ^
> >
> > Milestone
> > All ^
> >
> > Sorted by
> > Votes ^
> >
> >
> >>> * Fixed rss-links
> >
> > Didn't test but the URLs look good. ;)
> >
> >>> * Welcome-text (if you hide welcome text while logged in, hiding get's
> >>> saved to your person stats and it stays hidden)
> >
> > Nice idea. 3-4 lines in the column + a link to
> > http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_brainstorm is all we need.
> >
> >>> * Lovered the amount of words viewed in listing phase
> >
> > Still the lists look unfinished. Adding the solutions gives too much
> > information. I would go for lists with simpler entries for each proposal
> > allowing listing more proposals in a single page. Thingls like who
> > posted the proposal and when are less relevant. The format could be:
> >
> > <Listing criteria e.g. "Sandbox, waiting, sorted by popular">
> >
> > <Vote proposal widget> <Proposal title>
> > <Category> - Filed by <user> on <YYYY-MM-DD>
> > <Proposal excerpt>
> >
> > <Vote proposal widget> <Proposal title>
> > <Category> - Filed by <user> on <YYYY-MM-DD>
> > <Proposal excerpt>
> >
> > etc
> >
> > No selected solutions, no "Comment on idea or propose a solution" since
> > it's in the title link already.
> >
> >
> >
> >>> * Selected solutions are now show a bit better in idea view.
> >
> > It took me a while to realize that there is no "+ ADD NEW SOLUTION"
> > button, but a duplicate "MY BRAINSTORMS" button linking correctly to the
> > URL to submit a new idea.
> >
> > Still, I couldn't find a page to check how a page with several solutions
> > proposed and one selected looks like. I tried to move
> > /community/brainstorm/view/maemo_should_run_on_netbooks/
> > to Under development selecting one or two solutions but I'm missing
> > permissions.
> >
> >>> There is still some things to do about what we agreed a week ago, but
> >>> this much I got done now, continuing after few days. I would like to
> >>> hear some testreports from you, is there any bugs and is there
> > something
> >>> completely wrong.
> >
> > You also improved the homepage!!
> >
> > I fail to deduce what are "Coldest solutions" and "Most commented"
> > should probably go out since the comments need to go out altogether
> > since Talk discussion will come instead. But I see where you are going
> > so let me propose something to expand it:
> >
> > Hot proposals Hot solutions
> > * <karma> <proposal title> * <karma> <solution title> on
> > * 175 Maemo should run on netbooks <proposal title>
> > * 10 listed * 5 listed
> >
> > Fresh proposals Fresh solutions
> > * <MMM D> <proposal title> * <MMM D> <solution title> on
> > * Nov 2 - Maemo should run on netbooks <proposal title>
> > * 10 listed * 5 listed
> >
> > Development started Implemented
> > * <proposal title> * <proposal title>
> > * Up to 10 listed * Up to 10 listed
> >
> > Need voters Need solutions
> > * <proposal title> * <proposal title>
> > * Up to 10 listed * Up to 10 listed
> > 
> > where
> >
> > Hot proposals = Proposals with highest thumbs up + thumbs down Under
> > Consideration
> >
> > Hot solutions = Solutions with highest thumbs up + thumbs down Under
> > Consideration
> >
> > Fresh proposals = New proposals Under consideration
> >
> > Fresh solutions = New solutions Under considerations
> >
> > Development started = New proposals Under Development
> >
> > Implemented = New proposals Implemented
> >
> > Need voters = New proposals in Sandbox
> >
> > Need solutions = New proposals without solutions in Sandbox
> >
> > ****
> >
> > I believe people will look and use Brainstrom differently with such main
> > page.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Also Misc:
> >
> > - Let's remove comments altogether. For now links to Talk threads can be
> > added manually to the proposals while being in Sandbox.
> >
> > - Voting proposals is still missing. Just a friendly reminder. :)
> >
> > - We agreed that solutions can't be voted while being in Sandbox. At
> > that stage it should be possible to vote only the Proposals.
> >
> > - I can vote one thumbs up and one thumbs down on the same idea. This is
> > a common problem of the widget, since it's the same in Packages. Not
> > always though. The desired behavior is a toggle to vote either thumbs up
> > or down, or at least clicking again on a thumbs up/down would restate
> > the vote to 0.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> For others, I posted a screenshot of the
> >> new front page:
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/4067327297/
> >>
> >> In the new UI ideas can be filtered based on Status, Milestone and
> >> Category, or a combination of those. Each of such lists has an RSS
> >> feed, so this should make it easy to follow the areas of Maemo you're
> >> interested in.
> >>
> >> 2009/11/1 Randall Arnold <texrat at ovi.com>:
> >>> - we decide upon action tags for Brainstorm items, to be used by Brainstorm
> >>> subforum moderators (currently Quim and myself) in posts designed to move
> >>> things forward
> >> Categorization and statuses on Brainstorm should handle that for you,
> >> or would you like additional tags (folksonomy) to ideas/solutions?
> >>
> >>> - automation implented to fire off emails to appropriate parties 
> >>> and/or lists
> >>> based on tag values
> >> There is an RSS feed which IMO is better for notifications.
> >>
> >>> -Randy
> >> /Henri
> >>
> >
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