[maemo-community] Maemo community outreach flyer reboot v2 - final (Community)

[From: Randall Arnold]

> ----- Original message ----- 
> From: Tim <tim at samoff.com>
> To: "Randall Arnold" <texrat at ovi.com>
> Subject: Re: Maemo community outreach flyer reboot v2 - final (Community)
> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:01:16 -0700
> 
> 
> No. I am the only one with good suggestions around here. Ha ha ha. Yeah,
> right. :p
> 
> Concerning design stuff. Nothing critical.
> 
> 1. Make sure things are vertically and horizontally centered in their
> "spaces" (e.g., the type within the search box on the top of the flyer
> isn't quite vertically centered).

actually it is, but just doesn't appear so.  If I need to fudge it I might.

> 
> 2. Adjust the kerning of the type in text blocks that appear to have too
> much space between words. Don't do it so much that the letters within
> words are too far apart, but enough so that the words on each line fill
> the horizontal space adequately.

I may just go back to left justification and let the text have a ragged right side.  I've put way too much work into just that one block.  Tired of jacking with it.  :D

> 
> 3. Change the "See the back side of this flyer for more details!" line
> so that "more details" is on the same line.

Not as easy to do as it sounds, due to other formatting concerns.  But I'll see.

> 
> 4. Remove the slash after "community" on the bottom of the page so that
> it just reads "/community".

Jaffa twisted my arm.  ; )

> 
> 5. On page 2, change the first sentence to that it reads, "Maemo.org is
> an open source community..." (i.e., remove the beginning elipses).
> 

That was done for a reason.  It's a continuation of the header above.

> 6. Page 2: Increase the size of the open source components image to fill
> the space a little more.
> 

Wish I could.  It gets too grainy (bitmap).  If someone has a larger source I can work with that would be great.  I don't know where this came from.

> 7. Change the color photo to b&w (but, is there another comparable image
> that you can use that's not so blurry?).

I chose the color image deliberately.  This not an uncommon practice in this sort of design work, to have several B&W images and one color.  Note also that the colors fit in with our theme hues.  The fuzziness is unfortunate, but I learned to live with it.  :D

> * Btw, did you ask Toni for permission to use his images? Or, are
> they licensed under a CC license of some sort?

I guess you missed the previous discussion round.  Hint: the credit text under the images didn't all originate with me.  ;)

> 
> That's it!
> 
> Nice work, Randy... Long journeys sometimes create great results. ;)

Thanks... and I blame the usual attention deficit disorder for my crazy iterative approach.  : p

> 
> Tim
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Randall Arnold wrote:
> > It occurred to me that some of the comments below may come across as
> > insulting to Sebastian or anyone else offering suggestions. My
> > apologies, that wasn't my intent. I was just kidding around with Tim a
> > bit. I agree with most of Sebastian's punctuation suggestions and did
> > not mean to say that Tim is the only one suggesting anything useful.
> > Unless he needs the ego boost. :D
> >
> > Note to self: don't reply when you have such a severe headache.
> >
> > *Randall (Randy) Arnold*
> > maemo.org community council
> > http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original message -----
> > From: "Randall Arnold" <texrat at ovi.com>
> > To: tim at samoff.com, "List for community development"
> > <maemo-community at maemo.org>
> > Subject: Re: Maemo community outreach flyer reboot v2 - final
> > (Community)
> > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:28:22 -0600
> >
> > Some of Sebastian's suggestions I will implement and some I won't.
> > Sprinkling commas into text can often do more harm than good as I'm
> > sure you know. ; ) Plus some of the writing tactics I used were for
> > effect.
> >
> > But I am interested in your design-based feedback, because you have
> > been objective and specific (as opposed to "I don't like that
> > color/icon/etc"). If you feel led, share. : )
> >
> > *Randall (Randy) Arnold*
> > maemo.org community council
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original message -----
> > > From: "Tim Samoff" <tim at samoff.com>
> > > To: "List for community development" <maemo-community at maemo.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Maemo community outreach flyer reboot v2 - final
> > (Community)
> > > Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:29:51 -0600
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Good comments from Sebastian below -- not all crucial, but some
> good,
> > > easy changes that will make it flow a little better.
> > >
> > > There are a few niggling design thingies that I could harp on, but
> > > otherwise, I think it's good to go.
> > >
> > > Thanks, Randy.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > -- <http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/>http://samoff.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sebastian 'CrashandDie' Lauwers wrote:
> > > > Hey Randall,
> > > >
> > > > A few comments, apologies if I didn't provide any feedback
> > previously.
> > > > I hope it's not too late.
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Randall Arnold<texrat at ovi.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >> Link:
> > http://maemo-daemons.org/maemo-org_community-flyer2_Maemo5.pdf
> > > >
> > > > First paragraph ("A rich technology-oriented wonderland..."):
> > > > - Can we add a comma after "rich"?
> > > > - There is too much space after the first sentence and before
> the
> > > > second sentence ("community. Heavily"). I understand this is
> > probably
> > > > because of layout and design, however it doesn't read well.
> Maybe
> > > > "code warriors" could be on the same line?
> > > >
> > > > Third paragraph (on the right-hand side), ("We’re looking for
> > people..."):
> > > > - Would it be more positive to say: "We're always looking for
> > people..."?
> > > > - In my mind, "interests are in" is redundant. Either "you're
> > > > interested in", or "your interests are".
> > > > - Again, having the "maemo.org" standing out on itself doesn't
> seem
> > > > natural to me. It sticks out like a sore thumb, not as something
> my
> > > > eyes are attracted to, or something I'd remember.
> > > > - The whole last sentence of this paragraph is very long to read
> > > > (especially on a flyer). Could we break it up or add reading
> > pauses to
> > > > make it more easy to understand?
> > > > e.g.: "Whether your interests lie in coding, user interface
> design,
> > > > testing, content management, writing or simply having fun;
> you're
> > > > invited to jump in at the edge of technological discovery:
> > maemo.org!"
> > > >
> > > > Fourth paragraph (on the right-hand side), ("The maemo.org
> > community
> > > > is actively..."):
> > > > - "to regional strategy sessions to the annual Maemo Summit.",
> > there
> > > > should be a comma after "sessions". Same reason as before.
> > > >
> > > > 2nd page
> > > >
> > > > First paragraph ("...is an open source community..."):
> > > > - "more than 900 community development projects in the Maemo
> > Garage."
> > > > Isn't "development" seriously redundant in this sentence? Also,
> why
> > > > talk about the Maemo Garage and not qualify it? Unless it's
> within
> > > > context, I've always highly despised the name "Garage", as it
> > sounds
> > > > like a shady corner of the 'burbs. I would suggest removing
> > reference
> > > > to the Garage altogether here.
> > > > - "We work with open source tools and processes. We focus on new
> > > > software for both the platform itself and on top of the
> platform."
> > > > These two sentences should be merged into one. The first one,
> > on its
> > > > own, doesn't add anything meaningful other than being a proper,
> > simple
> > > > statement. Preferably a semicolon would be used to separate
> > them, no
> > > > capitals.
> > > > - "We focus on new software for both the platform itself and on
> top
> > > > of the platform." I have a very hard time with this bit (the
> > "and on
> > > > top of the platform"). I don't get it, at all. Maybe a few buzz
> > words
> > > > could spice things up?
> > > > e.g.: "new software both constructing the platform and
> > leveraging it."
> > > >
> > > > Second paragraph ("Maemo is a software platform that is mostly
> > based..."):
> > > > - "Nokia in collaboration with open source projects such as the
> > Linux
> > > > kernel , Debian , GNOME , and" There are spaces before each
> > comma and
> > > > there shouldn't be a comma before "and".
> > > > - "cross-platform application tool Qt." Qt isn't a tool, it's a
> > framework.
> > > >
> > > > Third paragraph ("At maemo.org you will find more
> information..."):
> > > > - "develop with Maemo", in order to not send the wrong message,
> > maybe
> > > > we could say "develop for Maemo" rather than with?
> > > > - "how to make your development work available to users". What
> > > > exactly is "development work"? How about "how to share your
> efforts
> > > > with other users" or "how to publish your creations for other
> > users to
> > > > enjoy".
> > > > - "maemo.nokia.com you fill find more information" /!\ TYPO
> > (will find).
> > > >
> > > > Fourth paragraph ("The community is represented by a council of
> > > > five persons"):
> > > > - "every qualified community member" what qualifies "qualified"?
> > > > IMHO, "every active community member" sends out a more positive
> > > > message.
> > > >
> > > > General comments:
> > > > - How come only the third paragraph on the second page has URLs
> > > > (maemo.org specifically) in a bold font? Why not on the other
> > parts of
> > > > the flyer?
> > > > - Excellent work, I really like it!
> > > > - Sorry for being a criticising bastard.
> > > >
> > > > -S.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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