[maemo-community] Maemo Council

[From: Momcilo Majic]

My comments are bellow.

On 10/03/2011 12:24 PM, Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> On Oct 3, 2011, at 12:06, Momcilo Majic wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Jeremiah, please list the remaining objections to the announcement text
>> Robert has sent.
>>
>> I understand that there may be further objections on the general Council
>> strategy, but lets try to discuss the ones that are preventing us to
>> prepare a common statement.
> It seems we need a balance then between Robert's urgency and a common agreement. I don't feel the same urgency but I'm willing to be flexible enough to try to support the goal of "getting something out now." If we want to create something common, then we'll have to take the time to come to an agreement. I did not sign up to run a non-profit, I don't have time for that, I signed up for helping ensure Free Software remains free and that developers know their options and that the community can preserve what it considers valuable to the best of its ability.
>> We need to address later objections after announcement, and hopefully
>> focus on real work.
>>
>> As Robert has pointed out, others are moving on as well, and for the
>> moment, we as Council are invisible.
> This is why we should have these discussions on a mailing list - so it is public. Transparency is of the utmost importance. In fact, I'm going to cc a public list so that they can see these discussions and note that we are working and that the community can participate.
I agree, transparency is important, as well as feedback of the others.
So for the benefit of others I will repeat what I've wrote (I appeal to 
everyone not to hang me for this) in the e-mail before the one you just 
replied:
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Guys, you reply the e-mails to fast.
It is difficult to follow the discussion.

I suggest we meet at the some random channel and discuss it step by step
in private.

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I wanted to suggest irc as real-time medium instead of e-mails. At one 
point it looked both of you were typing at the same time addressing same 
issues, so we ended up with unsynchronised discussion.
The reason I wanted it private, is I don't like bringing in half baked 
cookies.

After all,  it is announcement that matters at the end.
>> Having statement with reservations will not do us any good. I think it
>> is very important to demonstrate the unity of the council in front of
>> the community.
> What is the benefit of "unity" in this situation? Don't forget that most don't even see us as legitimate. :)
>
I don't suggest you just accept the proposal Rob made.
I would like to learn in more details on what do you propose, even if it 
is in contradiction with existing proposal.
>> I am hanging on the irc freenode at the moment.
>> My irc nick is: momcilo
> I'm jeremiah (or jeremiah_) and am in #meego-ivi, #meego-arm, #debian-arm, #ubuntu-arm
>
> Jeremiah
>
>> Momcilo
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