[maemo-community] Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!

[From: Marcin Mielniczuk]

What? You were banned because you said your opinion about candidation?
Don't we have the freedom of speech?

I'm not into the whole situation, saying "don't vote for me" is not a clean
way out. If you don't wanna be the chairman: just say: normal councillor.
And if there are problems with law: create temporary "government", do a
little changes and do the main election. I understand ivgalvez's good will,
and appreciate it. But I think that if there's a council crisis currently,
there'll be a bigger crisis in the next election. And "don't vote for me"
is only  a temporary workaround.

But, tbh, this is becoming like the Polish parliament. Everybody is yelling
at the other one and throwing shit on the other people :P

Anyway, I don't have enough information to judge. If someone has different
info than Estel provided, I'd like to look at it.
Reggie hasn't provided concrete posts, so I don't really know why it's been
so.
--
Marcin



2012/11/12 twilight312 at gmail.com <twilight312 at gmail.com>

> **
>
> On pon 12 lis 2012 16:20:25 CET, Ilya Skriblovsky <
> ilyaskriblovsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Just want to add some fresh opinion to this horrible flame. It's "fresh"
> > because I don't really know the background: I don't know why Estel was
> > banned and why it is so opposite to the Council.
> > (Though I'm subscribed to this list, I'm rare reading it further subject
> > line because starting with Community Awards discussion in June, 95% of
> > mails here are full of flame and lacking of any constructive).
> >
> > But this situation seems very ugly to me. Screenshot with blurred IP
> > addresses is certainly not an evidence at all. If screenshot was with
> > exact IP match as Mohammad said, then I miss the point for blurring
> > other IPs. If all blurred IPs are the same and same with Estel's, please
> > publish original screenshot. If they differ — please remove the ban,
> > admit your mistake and stop this shame.
> >
> > (By the way, even if all IPs are the same, it is not 100% evidence of
> > identity of these accounts since if mentioned Polish network provides
> > variable IP addresses, it's not a wonder if several IPs will
> accidentally
> > match somewhen. Deep login history research is the only way to be 100%
> > sure.)
> >
> > Yours,
> > Mitrandir
>
> Thank you for fresh, clear, and sane opinion. I also think, that we all
> need to take deep breath, state basic principles, and reconstruct what
> happened. So, point 1, about basic principles:
>
>
> On pon 12 lis 2012 16:27:11 CET, Ilya Skriblovsky <
> ilyaskriblovsky at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > And of course saying that "attitude and wording" of email with
> > complaining to ban can justify this ban in any way — This is certainly
> > immoral and shows the lack of will to solve the incident. Answer to the
> > facts first and after cause will be clear, then say all you want about
> > wording.
> >
> > Presumption of innocence is the holy thing, really.
> >
> > Yours,
> > Mitrandir
>
> I think it's clear to any civilized person, and no one will try to
> disagree with you, here. Hurting innocents, for "higher case", then
> justifying it afterwards, is lack of civil responsibility, one of worst
> examples. It should be fought with fire in both small things (like here),
> and big ones - the latter seed from the former, and finally, result in
> great catastrophes.
>
> Thus...
>
> On pon 12 lis 2012 16:39:29 CET, Andre Klapper <andre_klapper at gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for a fresh opinion, but I have become unwilling as it's simply
> > enough at some point.
> > Lots of previous talk, simply check the mailing list archives.
> >
> > andre
> > --
> > Andre Klapper | Bugmaster
> > http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
>
> ...doesn't sound like good excuse.
>
> On pon 12 lis 2012 17:16:14 CET, Marcin Mielniczuk <marmistrz at linux.pl>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just wondering, as I couldn't be up to date lately: why has been Estel
> > banned? (a link or so is enough)
> > --
> > Marcin
>
> I have been banned due to, exactly, this post:
> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1287822&postcount=48
>
> Yes, seriously. For our unbeliveably fair and neutral moderator, chemist,
> it was enough for ban. What is more spicy, this exact same case was
> reviewed earlier, by moderator sjgadsby, and he just warned every
> participant (including me), to not continue. His recommendations were
> followed to the single line - yet, after 4-5 days, chemist decided, that he
> need to show his presence and how important he is, issuing ban. Of course,
> he haven't punished anyone else arguing there - I said, that his neutrality
> is legendar, didn't I?
>
> While it was clearly unfair, I have *never* mentioned it in public. I have
> created account to contact administrators about mentioned doubts, and I
> have denied (in polite message) Woody's lie (done on purpose) about my
> disappearing being my attempt to scam people, that pre-ordered replacement
> bodies for N900. This sole reaction - in defense of collaborative project -
> was cause of extending ban to 6 December 2012.
>
> On pon 12 lis 2012 18:19:26 CET, chemist <chemist at dostortugas.org> wrote:
>
> > Hey Folks,
> >
> > It was me who banned JCDenton and aquamarine aswell
>
> Great job, *chemist*! You have banned someone out of blue sky
> (aquamarine) and we would never know about it, if your madness wouldn't
> result in banning JCDenton! Let's light a candle for aquamarine, as -
> whoever she/he was - it's probably lost to Community, with all her/his
> potential.
>
> Furthermore, you seem to be quite proud of banning innocent people for
> "higher cause", just because it *seemed* to you, that they may be me?
>
> Maybe you have banned someone else "for me", too? C'mon, share your great
> deeds with us.
>
> > I did not follow the IP after that till someone pointed at JCDenton
> > considering  to be Estel, checked the IP again and voila another account
> > shows... seems Estel did use a not working fake mail account and was
> > forced to open another. JCDenton got a "One-Touch-Ban and Clean" click
> > which is only possible with accounts not posted much and newly created
> > (to ban Spambots).
>
> bullshit - Letsee was new account, yet, single post from there was left in
> place. You have banned JCDenton using post removal, due to plain laziness.
>
> Not to mention, that your "theory" proved to be wrong, as it was assumed
> on sole NAT IP of provider, which is very risky way of banning people, and
> every beginning admin/moderator know that.
>
> Now, Mr. Failman, instead of excusing JCDenton, you're again proud of
> yourself!
>
> > For the screenshot Reggie made available: I think he missed to blur the
> > top. He has a strict policy when it comes to securing or sharing privat
> > data. I can assure you that 'yes' it was a search for a single IP and
> > they matched Estel JCDenton Letsee and aquamarine while in the picture
> > JCDenton has no more posts as I deleted them so no match for posts.
>
> Nice story. Still no idea, how you can share with us such lack of
> responsibility, skills, and just plain brainless actions, without burning
> from shame.
>
> So, basically, *you just confirmed your guilt,* without any reegrets?
>
>
> > Estel, I sent a warning out to you at least twice. There are rules and
> > if you are not up to playing by them you may leave or get banned. Your
> > choice.
>
> Frankly - I see it as personal offense, when you suggest I might be
> breaking your pathetic "rules" to take part in so corrupted, decomposed,
> and pathetic forum as TMO. It was wrong from the start, and now, it become
> decomposing swamp, plagued by brainless, egomaniac mods, that didn't care
> for hurting innocent people, if it boost own ego enough.
>
> After what you have done, by banning *at least two innocent people*(maybe more, who knows), just because you "though" they may be me, you're
> not only complete ZERO as a moderator. You're zero as member of community,
> too. Be gone, in all shame possible.
>
> /Estel
>
>
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