[maemo-community] Banned from maemo.org - someone went ape shit nuts?!

[From: Arie Mark]

No one was against Estel before, some of his behavior recently has turned people against him. 

Again this is a time when we need to stick together to ensure the survival of tmo and it's future. I personally think Estel can help out a lot, he just needs to stop fighting with us and help out or stay out of the way. I don't think anyone that doesn't see eye to eye with Estel is asking for more. 

Please anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

To obtain something of equal value must be lost...

On Nov 15, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Marcin Mielniczuk <marmistrz at linux.pl> wrote:

> None of you is the good one here, to be honest. 
> 
> I agree with Arie, that Estel shouldn't compare this to genocide. You can compare this to some other political things ("everyone votes for <insert the politician name>, so there must be a reason why") but this one was indeed disrespectful to the victims. And if he uses iPhone, don't blow him away (not literally of course :) )
> 
> But this way "everyone's against Estel, so there must be a reason" is a way to get manipulated. Let's suppose that there's a conspiracy against Estel (or change Estel to whatever name you want - maybe your best friend). "Everyone" of music industry was to support ACTA. Did it make ACTA good?
> 
> EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES. The most important is to stop doing the mistake as soon as possible. Including mods, including Estel, including you, including me.
> --
> Marcin
> 
> 
> 
> 2012/11/15 Arie Mark <arie at everythingn9.com>
> How do you get off comparing comments on a mailing list to genocide? I come from a third world country. I have seen people killed in front of me, in the name of genocide. When you are in the same position you can make comments about genocide. Until then never mention it in regards to me again. The fact you make such an off-handed comment so childishly makes you of all people look foolish.
> 
> You have dishonored anyone that has ever been killed in a genocide.
> 
> Estel, you have made great contributions to maemo in your time here. I liked you for the longest time. You have single handedly managed to turn everyone against you, why? Doesn't this bother you? I am shocked and confused that you don't seem to get it. If you had one or two people against you fine, but it seems every one for the most part is. 
> 
> At a time when we need to work together to ensure tmo is transitioned properly, you are busy arguing aimlessly with the very people that are trying to keep it alive. Am I missing something here? Do you want tmo to die down? If so please make it clear now.
> 
> Open source isn't perfect and everyone here is a volunteer, but everyone is trying to make ends meet and you are slowing that progress down. Have you asked yourself why? It's not even clear what you want? What do you really want from tmo and all this fighting?
> 
> Take a step back and see what someone else is saying. I personally want you to stay, but I don't like this combative attitude that you have brought about in tmo members at a time when we need to work together as much as possible to ensure success.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 15, 2012, at 4:59 AM, "twilight312 at gmail.com" <twilight312 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> While I couldn't care less for arie's insignificant opinion about me, his reasoning deserve small off-topic: 
>> 
>> Off-topic: 
>> 
>> On śro 14 lis 2012 17:53:18 CET, Arie Mark <arie at everythingn9.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> > Who cares, this is a waste of time. If so many people are against Estel 
>> > old and new, there must be a reason. 
>> > 
>> > Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>> Sure, behavior of a real grown-up. I'm pretty certain, that same argumentation went in mind of 90% Hutu, when they have commited 1994' genocide in Rwanda. "If so many people hate Tutsi and murder them, it must be their fault!" 
>> 
>> Such mindless sheep's behavior is root of many problems, both insignificant, as some random loser running out of arguments and writing "who cares, it's a waste of time, if so many people...", and big, extremely huge tragedies, like mentioned Rwanda, or many other mass genocides in history. 
>> 
>> Think of it, when you send another message "from your iphone", mr. ISheep. [/off-topic] 
>> 
>> /Estel
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