<html><head><meta http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1"><meta content="Group-Office 2.18" name="GENERATOR"></head><body><p>Marcelo,</p>
<p>Thanks. A simple style-guide would be helpful -- whitespace margins will be something that needs to be tackled and enforce (re: the current placement of the new logo on the maemo.org website).</p>
<p>The main reason for sending out the (redone, but crappy) GIF logo was to provide an image that could be placed over any background... Of course, based on my last email, I hope you know that I thought it was substandard (as all -- even-if-well-made) transparent GIFs tend to be. (I've attached an example of the original "smooth" GIF vs. my "chunky" GIF over a black background to illustrate this.)</p>
<p>If it were me, and I was told not to use transparent PNGs, I would create various logos (JPG or GIF) with the added background color of every page I created. It's not that hard to do.</p>
<p>In any case, I would argue to use PNGs with any of the available PNG hacks, OR use PNGs and let <IE7 users suffer the consequences... And, even if 20% of maemo.org members are using <IE7, I'd bet that they are used to seeing funky image issues on all sorts of various websites.</p>
<p>But, alas, that's just my two-cents.</p>
<p>I do have a serious question, though, and maybe I just missed the discussion somewhere... Why does the web/digital form of the logo have to be constrained to flat colors? Why can't it have the full gradient? Heck, my company has 8 versions of our logo (each of these for two versions -- portrait and landscape -- of the logo):</p>
<ul>
<li>Full-color (for web and 4-color print)</li>
<li>Flat-color (for 2-color print)</li>
<li>Transparent 1-color white (for dark backgrounds and 1-color print)</li>
<li>Transparent 1-color black (for 1-color print on white)</li>
</ul>
<p>The preferred logo is always the full-color version, wherever it can be used. When t-shirts or other collateral that requires less colors are created then the other logos can be used.</p>
<p>So, why can't the web-form of the logo use the full gradient?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Tim</p>
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<strong>Subject: </strong>Re: GIF logo<br />
<strong>From: </strong>Marcelo Oliveira <handful@gmail.com><br />
<strong>To: </strong>"List for community development" <maemo-community@maemo.org><br />
<strong>CC: </strong>"Tim" <tim@samoff.com><br />
<strong>Date: </strong>08/09/2008 9:55 am<br />
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<div dir="ltr">Hi,<br />
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Using this thread to spread the message. I think that as important as the logo is a small manual on how to use to avoid things that can reduce the logo's appeal or impact or even just make it look worst :)<br />
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So I will work closely on this with Glaubert so we can define the basic guidelines and post it to the wiki.<br />
I think we should cover ar least : spacing, margins, non-typical usages and so on.<br />
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Let me know if you also thought of a use that the current form would not fit and you need a suggestion / help from us!<br />
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BR<br />
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Marcelo<br />
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 4:11 AM, Andrew Flegg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew@bleb.org">andrew@bleb.org</a>></span> wrote:<br />
<blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote"> On 8/8/08, Tim <<a href="mailto:tim@samoff.com">tim@samoff.com</a>> wrote:<br />
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> [...] use a PNG with the transparency hack (I do this on<br />
<div class="Ih2E3d">> several sites with little/no performance issues). Or...</div>
This'd be what I'd do; the effect is perfect and requires no<br />
additional maintenance work.<br />
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In particular, I've had good success with Dean Edward's IE7 library,<br />
which also fixes some CSS issues as well:<br />
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<a target="_blank" href="http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/">http://dean.edwards.name/IE7/</a><br />
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HTH,<br />
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Andrew<br />
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