<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Markus Schneider <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:markus.schn@yahoo.com" target="_blank">markus.schn@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>Dave Neary wrote:<br>
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> For the last election, at 10, we would have included about 1000<br>
> <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a> accounts, at 25 we would have included about 450.<br>
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</div>Very interesting. So it is actually at least 1/2 of the ~900 people that voted last time who would not be allowed to vote with the karma limit of 25?! (Of course the karma rating has changed now, but still...)<br></blockquote>
<div>No, that means half of them would not have been allowed to vote; I was among them, and if itT wasn't included, still would be, as I have 16 non-itT karma ATM. But, if itT wasn't to be included, I'd have gone out and made some karma elsewise some time ago. Since most (I think?) participants in the election last time were aware they'd need karma for the next one, I'd have expected most of them to react similarly. (But I'm seemingly wrong.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>The difference between the 10 and 25 numbers, BTW, is only 225 itT posts, or rather less posts and some thanks. (I don't know the thanks formula...)</div><div><br></div><div>As it stands, though, the current tally of accounts with karma >=25 is just 598, so it seems like most of the voters from the last election either don't know or don't care about the karma limit for the upcoming election. (Unless there are more karma sources coming online, and they're loafing while counting on those to boost them, as I did with itT... so are there other sources slated to come online before the election?)</div>
<div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Please be so kind and tell us the exact number of actual active voters with a karma >25 from the last election to see how the real ratio is then. And what the ratio would be with a limit of 10.<br>
<div><br></div></blockquote><div>I don't like the notion of sentencing someone to a day fighting with an (apparently evil) database for my curiosity, but those data are starting to look important...</div><div><br></div>
<div>And dropping the karma to 10 might be worth looking at, too.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
> I think there's an argument to be made that 25 might be too high, but<br>
> let's get more up to date figures before we close that discussion. I<br>
> think 100 would definitely be too high. And given what you say<br>
> afterwards, I think that you think this too.<br>
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</div>Well it really depends on what the definition of "Maemo Community" is. If only real contributors are considered part of the community, 100 seems reasonable and it also would make (massive) fraud nearly impossible.<br>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>100 limits us to only 204 ATM. And at a glance, it seems it might exclude quite many, if not most, one-project developers, to say nothing of honest non-developer participants. (Garage has 780 projects ATM, and many devs don't use garage.) <span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: verdana; font-size: 11px; font-weight: bold; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-weight: normal; font-family: arial; font-size: 13px; ">A quick skim turned up several names I recognized, including andrewfblack, andrewgodwin, gene_cash, kernelpanic, madman2k, penguinbait, and tim_edmonds; setting the bar at 100 qualifies these all as non-contributors, and probably many more I didn't recognize. To be sure, there's no level where you can be sure to include <i>all</i> relevant people, but I think we can do a lot better than this. </span></span></div>
<div><br></div><div>A question: Is there code (or documentation) available somewhere concerning all the karma formulas? I'd like to look at what various "prototype" users would need to reach various thresholds. I already know a thankless itT poster would need 625, but there are many others...</div>
<div><br></div><div>Benson</div></div>