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I am looking for status update on the SSO task. I have sent two
email's to the task owner with no response. This task has sat at 0%
all last month with no updates on 9.10-03.<br>
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Valério Valério wrote<br>
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"According to Alexey the code is already in place, but needs a newer
version of Midgard. Since we're getting new servers it will only be
installed in the new ones. There was a delay in the server migration,
so this task got stuck too, so now it only depends on 9.10-07. <br>
Those with access to the testing server can test this feature already."<br>
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OK, where should I have gone to find this out without having to ask the
question? Why is this info not on the task in the sprint page, its
clearly available.<br>
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OK, so I now go look at 9.10-07<br>
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<td> Server migration
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<td> Must
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<td> <a href="http://maemo.org/profile/view/feri/"
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<td> 0%
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<td> Servers will be available in November only.
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Why will Servers be available in November only? Is there a purchase
your waiting for, a delivery, some code to move, what does this mean?
To me a migration consists of plenty of steps prior to getting a
physical box. I assume ideas and plans for the migration have been
discussed and laid out, wouldn't this be greater than 0%.<br>
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I went to the maemork and read, but I don't see anything about these
tasks, nothing informative anyway.<br>
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I guess I am looking for a way to actually see whats going on without
asking different people questions about every task in the list. It
would be much cleaner to periodically report status and in one
location, which would also save on mis-communication and perceived
attitudes when people ask questions.<br>
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This all stemmed from me trying to get involved to help in any way with
the SSO task as it is VERY important to ME. I finally found out that
the task is actually not 0% and its waiting for another task to
complete. So prior to sending out an email to Ferenc asking if there
was anyway I could help with that task, I decided to find out what the
heck I am supposed to be reading to find this out. <br>
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I point this out as I believe I am far from the only one with this
confusion and I think its an obstacle to getting more people involved
on a project or task. Furthermore I really don't think 4-5 edits in a
wiki a month is too much to ask for. Although hating wiki's myself, I
am not against another form to provide status updates, as long as they
are consistent among tasks and easy to find.<br>
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As a council member, I believe its my job to get more people and the
right people involved in the tasks that I think benefit the community.
The difficulty became for me finding out what people are working on and
what roadblocks or obstacles are in there way.<br>
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While I do not want to become another obstacle to any task, I would
like to see more informative status updates be placed into the Sprint
pages. Especially on any sprint task with the priority of "must". <br>
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Matt Lewis<br>
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On 11/05/2009 10:59 AM, Dave Neary wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid:4AF2F65B.4030301@maemo.org" type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Hi,
penguinbait wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Sorry to all coming in late, Quim requested I push this into the
community list
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</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
Good for him, this is the place for it.
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">So your saying the only time I can request to find out about a task is
during a sprint meeting?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
That's not the intention. OK - SCRUM isn't a very good fit for
completely geographically disperse teams - the idea is to have very very
regular sync points, and short bite-sized tasks. SCRUM team members are
supposed to be able to accurately answer the question "what are you
going to do today?"
Monthly meetings are sync points, a way for me (us?) to get feedback
from the council in real time that we're on the right track, working on
things important to you, etc.
If you have any feedback, questions, other tasks to suggest, etc. then
please (and this goes for everyone, not just you), bring them up here,
we'll talk about them. Getting tasks added between sprint meetings is
possible.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">Perhaps
if I had gone to the sprint page and seen and actual status instead of
0% done there would be less confusion. Its obviously more than 0% done
if its already working in development? Of the 29 sprint tasks showing,
4 of them are NOT at 0%. Of those 29, 10 of the tasks have notes, some
more useful than others.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
This seems reasonable to me, 2 days after the sprint meeting. I've been
using the maemork channel on qaiku to talk about what I've been working
on - I'm not going to update the wiki page every day as well - that
would be duplicated effort. Some others have not gotten into the habit
of regular reporting (and I wasn't very good at it when it was in the
wiki either), so asking for updates on things that are important to you
seems like a good way to go for me, as long as you ask nicely.
</pre>
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<pre wrap="">I am not saying everyday that the
status (notes) needs to be updated, but perhaps once per week would be
useful.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
That's pretty much the norm. Maybe less if there really isn't anything
being done with the task. Since we had a sprint meeting this week, I'd
expect the first updates to be arriving sometime next week.
</pre>
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<pre wrap=""> Additionally I don't think that every task owner has to reply
to everybody asking them a question, However, I see nothing wrong with a
council member requesting status of a task outside of the actual sprint
meeting.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
Nor do I. I'd like to see it happen here rather than in private mail,
though, as Quim & Valerio said. And I think it would be nice if people
didn't single out the fact that someone's a Nokia employee in a way that
sounds like "you're not doing your job". A simple request "anyone know
what's happening with this task, please? It's important to me" will be
more effective, I think.
Cheers,
Dave.
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