Thanks, penguinbait.<br><br>I have also struggled to follow what is happening regarding the sprints.<br><br>It can be frustrating to see 0% tasks with no comments for me too.<br><br>At the very least, could the qaiku #maemork comments always have the task ID? I think non-task "business as usual" (BAU) shouldn't be tagged #maemork. Perhaps a separate channel for task related and non-task related comments? <br>
<br>I'm not really concerned that the paid maemo people are keeping busy. I want to see comments on tasks, and non-task comments in the channel are just "noise" to me.<br><br>How about #maemosprint as a channel for task-only comments? #maemork can be kept more general... What's going on in your workday: #maemork, What's going on in a sprint task: #maemosprint<br>
<br>Can you use multiple tags in Qaiku?<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:07 PM, penguinbait <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matthew@penguinbait.com">matthew@penguinbait.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Thank you Ferenc.<br>
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On 11/05/2009 05:04 PM, Ferenc Szekely wrote:<br>
Things started to move forward this week only. Yesterday I sent an email<br>
about our current server map to the ISP and reported it in #maemork [1].<br>
Did you miss it?<br>
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</div>I actually did not miss it, however I just don't know what that means in the scope of the project, so it really means nothing to me? That's what I am trying to convey. Is there a delivery date? Are there anticipated tasks? Is this one of them? -> "Sent out a doc about current servers to the new ISP. This should help them planning. 9.10-07" I understand you cannot share all details of what you may be working on, I guess I am looking for perhaps a timeline for each of the tasks?<br>
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I am not trying to pick on Ferenc, he was just the next task on the list I was sent to. Since SSO cannot be implemented until migration to the new server and upgrade of migard is complete.<br>
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Again I was only looking for a way to find out whats going on and if I could help in any way. I am not trying to pick on anyone or point any fingers, I am just wondering if there is a better way to report sprint tasks? I think any priority "MUST" task should have a timeline or at least an anticipated completion date? If your waiting for another task to complete before your task can continue, you should have a timeline or an amount of days needed to complete your task once the other task is completed.<br>
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How do you know when anything is going to be done or if its behind schedule? How do I know if 5% of a sprint task is 1 day or 10 days. Maybe you have this information its just not published? Maybe I am just looking at this the wrong way?<br>
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On 11/05/2009 05:04 PM, Ferenc Szekely wrote:<br>
> Hello,<br>
><br>
> penguinbait wrote:<br>
><br>
>> OK, so I now go look at 9.10-07<br>
>> 9.10-07 Server migration Must Ferenc<br>
>> <<a href="http://maemo.org/profile/view/feri/" target="_blank">http://maemo.org/profile/view/feri/</a>> 0% Servers will be available in<br>
>> November only.<br>
>><br>
>> Why will Servers be available in November only? Is there a purchase<br>
>> your waiting for, a delivery, some code to move, what does this mean?<br>
>> To me a migration consists of plenty of steps prior to getting a<br>
>> physical box. I assume ideas and plans for the migration have been<br>
>> discussed and laid out, wouldn't this be greater than 0%.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> I don't know if all the HW is available at the ISP, but what I was told<br>
> is that they will start putting the machines to the rack, connecting<br>
> cables, setting up firewalls, routers, other network elements in<br>
> November. Why? Probably due to paper work between them an Nokia, perhaps<br>
> some resource scheduling, perhaps delayed purchasing. All the work I did<br>
> regarding migration in October was a meeting with Tero and commenting on<br>
> a preliminary server map written by the ISP (comments: 2-3 sentences in<br>
> an email). I don't consider this a progress, hence 0% reported. For<br>
> obvious reasons we do not review server plans in the public. For other<br>
> reasons the guys from the new ISP will not report progress publicly.<br>
><br>
> Things started to move forward this week only. Yesterday I sent an email<br>
> about our current server map to the ISP and reported it in #maemork [1].<br>
> Did you miss it?<br>
><br>
><br>
>> I went to the maemork and read, but I don't see anything about these<br>
>> tasks, nothing informative anyway.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> You found nothing about server move, because nothing happened. It is no<br>
> one's fault. I am on alert with a couple of guys and will be installing<br>
> services as soon as we get the machines. The community will hear from<br>
> the progress.<br>
><br>
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>> I guess I am looking for a way to actually see whats going on without<br>
>> asking different people questions about every task in the list. It<br>
>> would be much cleaner to periodically report status and in one location,<br>
>> which would also save on mis-communication and perceived attitudes when<br>
>> people ask questions.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> The #maemork channel [2] on <a href="http://qaiku.com" target="_blank">qaiku.com</a> is the place for "semi real time"<br>
> status reporting, isn't it? Personally I don't mind copy-pasting my<br>
> qaiku messages to an email, if somebody would prefer that. I just see no<br>
> added value in it.<br>
><br>
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>> This all stemmed from me trying to get involved to help in any way with<br>
>> the SSO task as it is VERY important to ME. I finally found out that<br>
>> the task is actually not 0% and its waiting for another task to<br>
>> complete. So prior to sending out an email to Ferenc asking if there<br>
>> was anyway I could help with that task, I decided to find out what the<br>
>> heck I am supposed to be reading to find this out.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> SSO: please talk to Daniel [3] and Alexey [4]. I am not involved with<br>
> SSO. One thing for sure: server migration comes without SSO.<br>
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>> I point this out as I believe I am far from the only one with this<br>
>> confusion and I think its an obstacle to getting more people involved on<br>
>> a project or task. Furthermore I really don't think 4-5 edits in a wiki<br>
>> a month is too much to ask for. Although hating wiki's myself, I am not<br>
>> against another form to provide status updates, as long as they are<br>
>> consistent among tasks and easy to find.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> I always report _if_ there is progress made.<br>
><br>
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>> As a council member, I believe its my job to get more people and the<br>
>> right people involved in the tasks that I think benefit the community.<br>
>> The difficulty became for me finding out what people are working on and<br>
>> what roadblocks or obstacles are in there way.<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> Sure thing, I know the rules. Talking about myself only: I am happy to<br>
> inform you, or anybody about my tasks, progress, whatever related to<br>
> Maemo. I did not receive many questions about my activities in the past,<br>
> maybe this will change now. No problem, I will be happy answering your<br>
> questions. If I am not able to answer I will tell you whom else to<br>
> contact ;)<br>
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>> While I do not want to become another obstacle to any task, I would like<br>
>> to see more informative status updates be placed into the Sprint pages.<br>
>> Especially on any sprint task with the priority of "must".<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> Agreed.<br>
><br>
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>> Matt Lewis<br>
>><br>
>><br>
> Br,<br>
> ferenc<br>
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> [1]<br>
> <a href="http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/view/1dec9b12cc931c8c9b111dea843f1561d5250d250d2/" target="_blank">http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/view/1dec9b12cc931c8c9b111dea843f1561d5250d250d2/</a><br>
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> [2] maemork - status reports from maemo staff<br>
> <a href="http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork" target="_blank">http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork</a><br>
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> [3] Daniel's maemo profile<br>
> <a href="http://maemo.org/profile/view/danielwilms/" target="_blank">http://maemo.org/profile/view/danielwilms/</a><br>
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> [4] Alexey's maemo profile<br>
> <a href="http://maemo.org/profile/view/indeyets/" target="_blank">http://maemo.org/profile/view/indeyets/</a><br>
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