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color=#0000ff size=2>Hi,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>[<SPAN class=548054707-17112009>jot] Thanks about
comments Tim!. My comments below ...</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> ext Tim Samoff [mailto:samoff@gmail.com]
<BR><B>Sent:</B> 16 November, 2009 17:36<BR><B>To:</B> List for community
development; Dave Neary; Tikka Jarmo (Nokia-D/Helsinki)<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
URGENT! Updating the info for flashing<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P>Seriously, this is all SO confusing (and always has been) for regular
(i.e., Not dev) users. Regular users should never havek to visit a "download"
page, let alone a wiki page if they don't want to. <SPAN
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<P><SPAN class=548054707-17112009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>[jot]
Our Flasher-3.5 tools is dveloper tool only. As I wrote in announcement (<A
href="http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_flasher-3-5_tool_final_for_fremantle_and_diablo_released/">http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo_flasher-3-5_tool_final_for_fremantle_and_diablo_released/</A>)
it may be that also technology oriented end-users use them but thery really
are not for regular end user.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=548054707-17112009></SPAN><SPAN class=548054707-17112009><FONT
face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2> </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=548054707-17112009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>[jot]
</FONT> <FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I have proposed that
someone should implement very simple GUI (with Qt or Python so that same GUI
works in Linux, Windows and Mac) that I could include to the instalaltion
package. Only after that flasher tools can be considered as end-user
tool.</FONT></SPAN><BR><BR>A CD should be included in the device package that
contains installable GUI "device management" apps for Linux, Windows, and Mac.
These apps should have an auto-update preference (on launch, every
week/month/whatever). The app should not only recognize the current device
firmware version, but be able to download and install a new one if needed. It
should also be able to perform the same bakup/restore functionality that the
device does...<SPAN class=548054707-17112009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=548054707-17112009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>[jot]
Maybe this (automatic download of image file) could be added to the flasher
GUI... We anyhow have implemented this already for Eclipse IDE (we have GUI
wizard for flasher in Eclipse IDE) so you can check from Eclipse how
to implement that for end users.</FONT></SPAN><BR><BR>I know you all have
an iPhone/Pod or have used one before. All of this stuff should be brainless
and require very little documentation at all. Especially, not documentation
about a 770 flasher for Mac, when most new N900 users won't even know what
"770" or "N8xx" (or even "WiMAX") means -- all of this is on the top of the
wiki page. <SPAN class=548054707-17112009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=548054707-17112009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>[jot]
</FONT> <FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>No much comments for thie.
I am responsible of developer environment but somebody else is responsible of
end-user environment for platform/devices.</FONT></SPAN><BR><BR>Anyway... Just
my two cents. And, I know I'm jumping into this conversation late (or, early,
if we start talking about Harmattan). <SPAN
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<P><SPAN class=548054707-17112009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>[jot]
A lot can still be done to Fremantle while waiting
Harmattan...</FONT> </SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=548054707-17112009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Cheers,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN class=548054707-17112009><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>//Jarmo</FONT> </SPAN><BR><BR>Tim <BR><BR>-- <BR><A
href="http://samoff.com">http://samoff.com</A> <BR><BR><BR>----- Original
message ----- <BR>> Hi Jarmo, <BR>> <BR>> <A
href="mailto:Jarmo.Tikka@nokia.com">Jarmo.Tikka@nokia.com</A> wrote: <BR>>
> The link to the flashers is still <A
href="http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php">http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/d3.php</A>
<BR>> > which looks very similar to the maemo-dev-env-downloads.php
page. <BR>> > <BR>> > [jot] This link is valid only for Nokia 770
users. N8x0 and N900 users will <BR>> > get their flasher-3.5 from
official Maemo Development Environment Downloads <BR>> > page here
<A
href="http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php">http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php</A>
<BR>> <BR>> It's quite confusing them, since the link just says "Linux,
MacOS X <BR>> flashers" <BR>> <BR>> > > The link to
maemo-dev-env-downloads.php says "Maemo 4.1.2 Diablo kernel <BR>> > >
patch and new kernel image for USB Networking on Windows, ver 0.4" - is
<BR>> > > that correct? <BR>> > <BR>> > [jot] Yes this is
correct and official Diablo fix for development environment. <BR>> >
Diablo device kernel needs to be updated USB Networking to function with
<BR>> > Windows host PC. This is generic bug in Linux kernel (version
Diablo has by <BR>> > default) that got fixed to kernel upstream and
that I back ported to Diablo. <BR>> > [jot] Fremantle version of kernel
includes this fix by default. <BR>> <BR>> I think the link should
include something about "Including utilities for <BR>> reflashing firmware"
or something similar. <BR>> <BR>> > [jot] We should remove other than
Nokia 770 flashers from that d3 page (and <BR>> > put them here <A
href="http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/old-maemo-dev-env-downloads.php">http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/old-maemo-dev-env-downloads.php</A>).
<BR>> <BR>> At least change the link so that it says "Flashers for Nokia
770" <BR>> instead of just flashers? Perhaps organise the page so that all
the N900 <BR>> stuff is up top, and the rest is underneath in a "Legacy
firmare & <BR>> tools" section? <BR>> <BR>> Cheers, <BR>>
Dave. <BR>> <BR>> -- <BR>> maemo.org docsmaster <BR>> Email: <A
href="mailto:dneary@maemo.org">dneary@maemo.org</A> <BR>> Jabber: <A
href="mailto:bolsh@jabber.org">bolsh@jabber.org</A> <BR>> <BR>>
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