Well... that was discouraging.<br />
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<span style="font-family: Verdana"><span><strong>Randall (Randy) Arnold</strong><br />
<span style="color: #ff6600">maemo.org community council</span><br />
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> ----- Original message ----- <br />
> From: "Quim Gil" <quim.gil@nokia.com><br />
> To: "List for community development" <maemo-community@maemo.org><br />
> Subject: Re: Maemo flyer for developer/enthusiast meetups/events - community feedback<br />
> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:37:57 +0200<br />
> <br />
> <br />
> Hi,<br />
> <br />
> ext Randall Arnold wrote:<br />
> > Greetings all,<br />
> ><br />
> > After some preliminary discussion on the council list I am opening this<br />
> > up to the community.<br />
> ><br />
> > The subject matter is advertising Maemo and maemo.org to developers and<br />
> > enthusiasts.<br />
> <br />
> Defining the target and the purpose is the most important aspect. Once<br />
> this is clear producing the marketing materials are easier.<br />
> <br />
> So looking at your PDF I see that it might serve the purpose of<br />
> gathering developers with certain knowledge or an interest in Qt. That's<br />
> it, I don't see room/message for "Maemo enthusiasts" alone. Not even for<br />
> the average Linux / open source developer the message sounds like<br />
> "something definitely for me".<br />
> <br />
> Note that developers with certain interest in Qt is what Nokia is<br />
> targeting left and right, so I wonder if this is a first priority for<br />
> the Maemo community.<br />
> <br />
> > I am developing a pilot community outreach program<br />
> > starting with the US and need materials for these activities. The flyer<br />
> > in question is part of that goal. I hope to have the result printed and<br />
> > take them to meetups and large events.<br />
> <br />
> For instance? Seeing 2-3 events you are planning to attend would help<br />
> figuring out the right message for the right audience.<br />
> <br />
> ><br />
> > I am looking for feedback on all aspects: color, content, layout, scope,<br />
> > etc. There are some general things to be aware of:<br />
> ><br />
> > - I have been informed I cannot use Nokia trademarked logos. This is<br />
> > disappointing but not a total dealbreaker. I had hoped to at least use<br />
> > the Qt logo+text but this looks unlikley... so keep this in mind.<br />
> <br />
> What is the license and specific purpose of your brochure? No company<br />
> will give you a wild card to use their trademarks.<br />
> <br />
> If you are planning to have a brochure that anybody can download, print<br />
> and give away publicly then it makes total sense that no Nokia<br />
> trademarks are involved and the brochure can't be confused with some<br />
> official Nokia marketing material.<br />
> <br />
> <br />
> > - Plans are to include details on the reverse side of the flyer. The<br />
> > front sheet needs to stay fairly "clean"<br />
> <br />
> What is the physical size? It looks somewhat busy to me already.<br />
> <br />
> > - The audiences may be mixed, which is why commercial and open source<br />
> > are both addressed<br />
> > - I realize the phrasing of the "rich coding wonderland..." paragraph is<br />
> > awkward and am looking for improvement<br />
> > - councail@maemo.org <mailto:councail@maemo.org> email address has been<br />
> > requested by council to be changed to maemo-community@maemo.org<br />
> > <mailto:maemo-community@maemo.org>; looking especially for further<br />
> > feedback there<br />
> <br />
> From a Development Nirvana platform I would expect a URL with more<br />
> information, not an email address and even less a mailing list. If it's<br />
> indeed for developers then http://maemo.org/development/<br />
> <br />
> About the content itself, I think it's overpromising and not very<br />
> informative, actually. Your own feedback about the current Extras QA<br />
> process is not "development nirvana". Nor it is publishing in Ovi, again<br />
> according to your feedback. Qt 4.6 for Maemo is in some alpha-ish state<br />
> now. We are seeing the feedback from new developers dealing with the SDK<br />
> and the Virtual image and the documentation...<br />
> <br />
> I would rather put the marketing time making sure the "development<br />
> nirvana" pieces are easy to find and well documented, with a special<br />
> focus in newcomers getting started.<br />
> <br />
> OR<br />
> <br />
> I would stress the great aspects of maemo.org to Maemo enthusiasts:<br />
> Download, rate and comment on apps, get support and discuss with peers<br />
> at Talk, get community testing for your apps and a free distribution<br />
> channel at Extras... This is what is really excellent and unique in<br />
> maemo.org and this is what no company can promote as good as real<br />
> community marketing.<br />
> <br />
> Note the overlapping tasks this latter proposal would have with the<br />
> effort to revamp http://maemo.org/intro -<br />
> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33577<br />
> <br />
> That task is stagnant mainly because of my fault. If you want we can<br />
> join efforts, you end up having a brochure and I end up having an Intro<br />
> page finished.<br />
> <br />
> --<br />
> Quim Gil<br />
> open source advocate<br />
> Maemo Devices @ Nokia<br />
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