Jeremiah,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your message and invitation. The new Maemo Council will consider your comments and we'll get back to you soon. <br>
<br>
Rob Bauer<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Jeremiah C. Foster <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com">jeremiah@jeremiahfoster.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 02:55:13PM -0700, Tim Samoff wrote:<br>
<br>
Hello!<br>
<br>
I'd like to say to the Maemo Council, old and new, that there is an<br>
excellent way to move Maemo forward. Not just as a legacy operating<br>
system for Nokia devices, but even for newer devices. That way<br>
forward is through Debian.<br>
<br>
Debian has the advantage of being non-commercial and completely open<br>
from beginning to end. It hosts infrastructure, build farms, mailing<br>
lists and IRC which <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a> can use. Most importantly, decisions<br>
made in Debian will not be undermined by shifting commercial interests<br>
that do not take into consideration the investment of individual<br>
developers.<br>
<br>
Many Debian developers have N900s and would be happy to see more Maemo<br>
devs in their midst. There are also Debian developers who have joined<br>
Maemo and contributed directly to Maemo since Maemo is buit on Debian,<br>
so the two communities are linked. To strengthen that link, I'd like<br>
to ask everyone on this list to participate here:<br>
<a href="http://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Maemo" target="_blank">http://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Maemo</a><br>
<br>
That is the entry place for Debian developers and users to get<br>
involved in Maemo. I think the council has a responsibility to make<br>
sure that page is up to date and well taken care of. I'm currently<br>
listed as the contact person, but I think someone from the council<br>
would be much better at that position. I kindly request that the council<br>
consider taking on this responsibility.<br>
<br>
I'd also like to ask the council members, in fact everyone from the<br>
Maemo community, to consider joining the Debian-derivatives mailing<br>
list. You can do so by going to the Debian Derivatives Front Desk:<br>
<a href="http://wiki.debian.org/DerivativesFrontDesk" target="_blank">http://wiki.debian.org/DerivativesFrontDesk</a><br>
<br>
I'm on that mailing list as is the current Debian Project Leader who<br>
has worked very hard with other Debian Developers to create a vibrant<br>
resource for derivatives to contribute to Debian and for Debian to<br>
contribute to derivatives. This cooperation is very important and<br>
works to enocurage the health of the overall Debian community.<br>
<br>
Thanks for caring about Maemo and Open Source software in general and<br>
I hope to see everyone on debian-derivatives.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Jeremiah<br>
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<br>
<br>
> Hi everyone,<br>
><br>
> Sorry for the delay in meeting minutes. I want to tank everyone who<br>
> attended. As you'll see, the attendance list only includes those who<br>
> are/were members of the Maemo Community Council. But, I really<br>
> appreciate the others who graced us with their presence.<br>
><br>
> This meeting ended up being almost two-hours long (one hour longer than<br>
> intended and an hour after I had to leave). This being said, I don't<br>
> know if I adequately included all of the important points from the<br>
> meeting below. If you're interested, it would be best to read the<br>
> meeting transcript[1] yourself.<br>
><br>
> In Attendance...<br>
><br>
> Outgoing Council:<br>
> * Andrew Flegg (Jaffa)<br>
> * Tim Samoff (timsamoff)<br>
> * Attila Chipa (achipa) - beginning at 1650 UTC<br>
><br>
> Incoming Council:<br>
> * Alan Bruce (qole)<br>
> * RM Bauer (SD69)<br>
> * Felipe Crochik (fcrochik)<br>
> * Attila Chipa (achipa) - beginning at 1650 UTC<br>
><br>
> Agenda/Notes:<br>
> 1. Introductions<br>
><br>
> * Call for new Council to choose a Chair (this will be accomplished this<br>
> week via the council@ email address).<br>
><br>
> 2. What was done during last term<br>
><br>
> * The legal ownership of <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a> was handed over to the community,<br>
> with Nemein (Henri Bergius as main point of contact) managing it on our<br>
> behalf. There are now only three members of the <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a> team, all<br>
> part-time. X-Fade (Niels Breet) webmaster; Andre Klapper (andre)<br>
> bugmaster; Reggie Suplido (Reggie) talkmaster. Nemein have further<br>
> budget which equates to one full time person.<br>
><br>
> * The Council was involved in the sponsorship of people for the MeeGo<br>
> Conference from a "handset" background.<br>
><br>
> * The Council sponsored the Maemo 5 Community SSU; providing support &<br>
> advice to MohammadAG; dealing with the thread on <a href="http://bugs.maemo.org" target="_blank">bugs.maemo.org</a> and<br>
> helping triage the bugs (<a href="http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs" target="_blank">j.mp/communityssu-bugs</a>).<br>
><br>
> * Passed on a refresh license change request queue request from<br>
> DocScrutinizer & jonwil to Quim.<br>
><br>
> * Asked Tero (tekojo) about <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a> funding, given the concern voiced<br>
> from the community after Feb 11th.<br>
><br>
> * Held a brainstorm redux meeting with the <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a> team to work out<br>
> how the Maemo Brainstorm items were progressing.<br>
><br>
> * More work on community bug reporting process, liaising with Qt<br>
> maintainers around Qt versions in Extras-devel, and liaising with Forum<br>
> Nokia folks who are doing Qt hotfixes.<br>
><br>
> * Ramped up efforts to keep Council visible via Council blog on m.o.<br>
><br>
> 3. What was not done during last term<br>
><br>
> * Getting a handle on the <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a> staff & Nemein. Despite committing<br>
> to come up with a community involvement process (to help lighten their<br>
> workload), it's often a black hole. Problems need to be chased sometimes<br>
> to <a href="mailto:support@nemein.com">support@nemein.com</a> email address to raise a ticket in their internal<br>
> system.<br>
><br>
> * Andre is still doing lots of work in Bugzilla triaging bugs both for<br>
> the CSSU and Extras projects.<br>
><br>
> * Niels is still helping to set up the Community OBS which can be used<br>
> for MeeGo, Fremantle and Harmattan; but there's no clearly communicated<br>
> plan for transitioning to it from the autobuilder, but the committed-to<br>
> donations system for <a href="http://maemo.org/downloads" target="_blank">maemo.org/downloads</a> hasn't been worked on at all;<br>
> nor is there any documentation about the structure (AFAICT) of <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a>.<br>
><br>
> * Council/Community should have a root access process concerning admin<br>
> and maintenance of <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a>, but the details are still up in the air.<br>
><br>
> * Council isn't involved in MeeGo Conf sponsorship decisions for SF in May.<br>
><br>
> * Justify the Council (the new Council needs to figure out of they are<br>
> the last Council or not; how the Q2 Council may differ from preceding ones).<br>
><br>
> 4. Past Council reflections/comments<br>
><br>
> * There's increasing pressure from the MeeGo community, and some<br>
> Intelians, that Nokia *don't* get an exception to call Harmattan MeeGo.<br>
> This might put a big spanner in the works for the Harmattan community.<br>
><br>
> * Development and marketing of the CSSU needs to ramp up and become much<br>
> more organized.<br>
><br>
> * Thoughts about the Maemo Community shrinking over the next year or<br>
> so... So, the Council will have to be quite vocal in organizing<br>
> community efforts (site maintenance, app dev, etc.).<br>
><br>
><br>
> 5. New Council comments/questions<br>
><br>
> * Many questions about Council Chair, m.o root access, funded employees<br>
> of m.o, CSSU, etc. Most of these questions are, as yet, unanswered.<br>
><br>
> * Questions about "friendliness" and cooperation between Maemo and<br>
> MeeGo, of which the outgoing Council answered "yes."<br>
><br>
> * Talk of the Community OBS. X-Fade and lbt are the folks involved, and<br>
> there've been some comms about it on meego-* mailing lists.<br>
><br>
> * Comments about the Council taking on a bridging role between<br>
> <a href="http://forum.meego.com" target="_blank">forum.meego.com</a> and <a href="http://talk.maemo.org" target="_blank">talk.maemo.org</a>.<br>
><br>
> * Has there been discussion about open source activities around next<br>
> Nokia device? Not yet. There are two schools of thought - it's a<br>
> dead-end, don't bother OR we can make it such a success that Nokia's<br>
> board reconsiders their medium-term plans...<br>
><br>
> * It will be tricky getting a centralized forum for the Harmattan<br>
> community. It was hard enough with t.m.o. and the mailing lists, and no<br>
> one has a clear vision about a "Harmattan Community." Should <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a><br>
> just assume to be the place for the Harmattan community forum? Meego.com<br>
> forums are a no-go, at least that was dawn/quim's stance a while back.<br>
> The question is why exactly do we need another forum? Just because of<br>
> the name? It might also become obvious once it's clear if harmattan will<br>
> be "marketed" as Maemo 6, meego or something completely new.<br>
><br>
> * Do we have any "hard figures" on how the community has changed since<br>
> the beginning of Mmeego?<br>
><br>
> * More questions about the <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a> infrastructure and how it will<br>
> continue. Neiman will play an important role in this.<br>
><br>
> [1]<br>
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