Hi<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">19. huhtikuuta 2012 21.53 Tim Samoff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim@samoff.com">tim@samoff.com</a>></span> kirjoitti:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br>
In playing Devil's Advocate, though...<br>
<br>
What will this actually do for Maemo or Meego or Meego Harmattan or<br>
Nokia...?<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>As I understood it prepares for the future in addition to letting people learn and work on the current things.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I think it's an amazing gesture that will most likely spawn a number of<br>
community efforts (which is a good thing), but what's the ultimate point<br>
of the offering?<br>
<br>
Will Nokia see a bunch of impassioned developers and change their<br>
decisions about the future of Meego Harmattan?<br>
<br>
I understand the impetus to get people developing with Qt5, etc., but<br>
will these devices actually do that? Or, will they just get people to<br>
stick with the Meego Harmattan platform and not think of the future?<br>
<br>
Qt5+ is, of course, the goal of something like this -- and it helps that<br>
it's cross-platform -- but what are your device recipients actually<br>
going to do with their devices? Will they really go whole hog into Qt<br>
development?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>yep. at least I see Qt as one of the main things with this. (disclaimer: I see Qt everywhere :) )</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Remember, I'm playing Devil's Advocate here... Personally, I really like<br>
the idea -- as ideas like this have always reinvigorated the community.<br>
But, is it something that will benefit our community in the long-run?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>dunno about the long run but helps to get something else than whining going on in the community (not saying you are a whiner or claiming that everyone is a whiner - there just seems to be a lot of it in the air around here). As I see it this gives people within the community possibilities and as a side product the larger community might benefit from it.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
Here's what I would like to see come from something like this:<br>
<br>
A certain (large) percentage of community developers become really good<br>
Qt developers and stop harping on what Maemo/Meego is/was. If this<br>
doesn't happen, then I think that the offering should be considered a<br>
failure.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<br>
We don't need more people putting effort into prolonging Maemo/Meego. We<br>
need people who are willing to put time and effort into forging a future<br>
for the community, be it linux mobile, or something else.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>+1 but I don't see the harm of letting people work on the older stuff if it's plausible and they feel it's worth their time and effort. I'm sure we'll see comments that this is wrong and all the community efforts should go into n900 related things, etc.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Yes, I've been ranting a lot lately -- apologies. It's been quite a<br>
strange experience to see the Maemo community going through what it's<br>
going through right now... Déjà vu. What I'd really like to see is a new<br>
direction with new prospects and new community members.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No need for an apology. At least I like seeing comments like this. They are the ones that really make you think and assert your own views on a subject.</div><div><br></div><div>BR,</div>
<div><br></div><div>Timo</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Something like what Quim is suggesting could help. But, it could also<br>
hinder.<br><br></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Br,<br>
Tim<br>
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Quim Gil wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> Let's say we could have a nice amount of N9s (*) for a <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a><br>
> centered device seeding activity. I could get them as part of two lines<br>
> of work where the <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a> community might want to play a role:<br>
><br>
> - Encouraging developers bringing stable & interesting apps to the Nokia<br>
> Store. There is a source of inspiration at<br>
> <a href="http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Apps_Missing" target="_blank">http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Apps_Missing</a><br>
> <a href="http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83333" target="_blank">http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=83333</a><br>
><br>
> - Encouraging developers to port & develop apps to Qt 5, getting<br>
> familiar and ready for the next big Qt iteration and providing feedback<br>
> to the developers at <a href="http://qt-project.org" target="_blank">http://qt-project.org</a> &<br>
> <a href="http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5_on_Nokia_N9" target="_blank">http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_5_on_Nokia_N9</a><br>
><br>
><br>
> If needed, a few devices could be invested in side activities related to<br>
> these tracks:<br>
><br>
> - Improvements in apps infra at <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a> or the evolution of COBS /<br>
> <a href="http://apps.formeego.org" target="_blank">apps.formeego.org</a> / etc.<br>
><br>
> - Improvements in Qt 5 support in the N9.<br>
><br>
><br>
> What do you think?<br>
><br>
> Ideally Nokia would provide to the community an amount of devices and<br>
> the infrastructure to deliver them for free to the fortunate developers,<br>
> using the <a href="http://developer.nokia.com" target="_blank">http://developer.nokia.com</a> infrastructure. The criteria and<br>
> selection of recipients could be done by the community itself, and I<br>
> could help wherever needed.<br>
><br>
> If you like the idea we can proceed. A good goal would be to have the<br>
> recipients defined by the end of May, so we can have all the shipments<br>
> during the first days of June. The closest we get to July the easier<br>
> will be to get hit by Summer holidays delays.<br>
><br>
> (*) I can't 100% confirm a number today but let's say 100 N9s and<br>
> (surprise surprise) the last batch of sealed N950s I know about (just a<br>
> few units).<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Quim<br>
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