[maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact? Shawn Gordon <shawn at thekompany.com> Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?

[From: Wooky]

This is a *MAEMO* dev-list. Koen may have sounded harsh, but he got
that right. And Maemo is X/GTK+ based. Discussions about porting some
other GUI/SDK/whatever should go elsewhere. It is simple as that. Of
course, you suffered the effects of re-starting a flamewar you may
have not been aware of in the first place, but I guess a good idea is
to take a look at the mail-list archives beforehand.

As for being the nastiest developer mailing list *ever*, you haven't
read either Xfree or even the kernel mailing lists recently have you?
No, I thought so. ;)

> 
> Koen, seriously, have a tall cool drink of water - you are way off base on
> what you are accusing me of doing.  I've got no idea what Qt/e propoganda
> you are referring to, my company has been happily making and selling
> applications for the Sharp Zaurus since before it was officially released,
> coming on 4 years now, with over 30 products.  I'm not here espousing it to
> be better or worse than anything else, we are very aware of what it can and
> cannot do, but that is not at all the point of the discussion that *I* am
> trying to have.  You are being rude as hell with your "This does that DEAL
> WITH IT" type comments, they are uncalled for and out of line.  Try reading
> what I actually wrote.
> 
> I have to say that this is the nastiest developer mail list I have ever
> joined, I can't imagine that this kind of interaction with developers is
> going to do much to get people developing (no offense to the several kind
> people who emailed me publically and privately).  I don't know anything
> about any wars you might have had on this topic, and it is rude and nasty
> of you to jump down my throat as if I was involved with your personal
> issues on this topic.
> 
> >Yes, I know all about the QT/e (and the propaganda coupled with it), but
> >the 770 (device) and maemo (X11/GTK platform) use X, so there is no way
> >you can 'look reasonable within the existing framework' if you want to
> >use QT/e painting directly to the framebuffer. To make it abundantly
> >clear: the 770 is a *device* which you can do with what you want, but
> >maemo is a platform that relies on X and to a lesser extent on GTK. The
> >previous QT (be it X11 or /e) discussion ended with the note people
> >should stop trolling about QT/e and it's suppossedly superiority and
> >start working on making QT work with hildon and osso. Maemo uses X and
> >GTK, if that offends you or doesn't fit in to your current development
> >platform, don't bother this list. Maemo uses X, deal with it. All these
> >'Yes, but qt/e is better' threads start to annoy and aren't
> >constructive. Maemo uses X, curse all you want, but that's the truth.
> >Don't like it? Produce something better and tell us the results, just
> >don't start this pre-emptive whining about QT/e.
> >I guess I should now better and stop feeding the trolls (haha, trolltech
> >toolkits and trolls), but I think it's time to post a big note to
> >maemo.org and nokia.com stating: "Not interested in QT/e, piss off".
> >QT is well designed and allows you to build qtopia with X support, no
> >problem there. Maemo is a platform, not a device, so pimping opie (a
> >nice platform, which is going to switch to QT4/x11, btw) or QT/e annoys
> >the crap out of me and judging from the reactions on IRC, a lot of other
> >people. Maemo uses X, deal with it. Feel free to install what you want
> >on your *device*, but stop bothering us with FUD about X being
> >inappriate on embedded devices.
> >To make it very clear: QT is nice, a hildonized QT would be a neat thing
> >to have, hildonized KDE apps aren't evil, but maemo is primarely a
> >X11/GTK platform. Whining about QT/e in the platform (not even the
> >device!) list is just childish and promotes prejudices about 'the other
> >side of the fence'.
> >Either be constructive and start working on proper integration with
> >hildon and osso, or continue your effort on a more appropriate
> >mailinglist (qt-interest or something). This is a maemo list, not a
> >nokia 770 list. Maemo uses X and is a platform.
> >I appreciate all the work TT and TK do on qtopia, and their apps are
> >very nice, nothing against that, but don't go bullying on maemo for
> >being different. I personally carry a deep resentment against QT/e (not
> >QT, not qtopia), but that doesn't stop me from working and having fun
> >with the Opie people, it just puts me in a foul mood when I read stuff
> >like this. Choice is good, so don't stuff qt/e down our throats.
> >
> >still with regards,
> >
> >Koen Kooi
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Koen
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Jeferson Lopes Zacco