[maemo-developers] [maemo-developers] Re: Nokia developer contact

[From: Shawn Gordon]

At 02:53 PM 7/25/2005, Wooky wrote:
>This is a *MAEMO* dev-list. Koen may have sounded harsh, but he got
>that right. And Maemo is X/GTK+ based. Discussions about porting some
>other GUI/SDK/whatever should go elsewhere. It is simple as that. Of
>course, you suffered the effects of re-starting a flamewar you may
>have not been aware of in the first place, but I guess a good idea is
>to take a look at the mail-list archives beforehand.

take 30 seconds to read what I actually wrote instead of providing a knee 
jerk reaction because you are obviously, totally not understanding what my 
question was, just jumping on a hate bandwagon.


>As for being the nastiest developer mailing list *ever*, you haven't
>read either Xfree or even the kernel mailing lists recently have you?
>No, I thought so. ;)

I have never, ever in all my years of coding had such nasty immediate 
response to a totally legitimate question, and I've probably been doing 
this for longer than you've been alive.


> >
> > Koen, seriously, have a tall cool drink of water - you are way off base on
> > what you are accusing me of doing.  I've got no idea what Qt/e propoganda
> > you are referring to, my company has been happily making and selling
> > applications for the Sharp Zaurus since before it was officially released,
> > coming on 4 years now, with over 30 products.  I'm not here espousing it to
> > be better or worse than anything else, we are very aware of what it can and
> > cannot do, but that is not at all the point of the discussion that *I* am
> > trying to have.  You are being rude as hell with your "This does that DEAL
> > WITH IT" type comments, they are uncalled for and out of line.  Try reading
> > what I actually wrote.
> >
> > I have to say that this is the nastiest developer mail list I have ever
> > joined, I can't imagine that this kind of interaction with developers is
> > going to do much to get people developing (no offense to the several kind
> > people who emailed me publically and privately).  I don't know anything
> > about any wars you might have had on this topic, and it is rude and nasty
> > of you to jump down my throat as if I was involved with your personal
> > issues on this topic.
> >
> > >Yes, I know all about the QT/e (and the propaganda coupled with it), but
> > >the 770 (device) and maemo (X11/GTK platform) use X, so there is no way
> > >you can 'look reasonable within the existing framework' if you want to
> > >use QT/e painting directly to the framebuffer. To make it abundantly
> > >clear: the 770 is a *device* which you can do with what you want, but
> > >maemo is a platform that relies on X and to a lesser extent on GTK. The
> > >previous QT (be it X11 or /e) discussion ended with the note people
> > >should stop trolling about QT/e and it's suppossedly superiority and
> > >start working on making QT work with hildon and osso. Maemo uses X and
> > >GTK, if that offends you or doesn't fit in to your current development
> > >platform, don't bother this list. Maemo uses X, deal with it. All these
> > >'Yes, but qt/e is better' threads start to annoy and aren't
> > >constructive. Maemo uses X, curse all you want, but that's the truth.
> > >Don't like it? Produce something better and tell us the results, just
> > >don't start this pre-emptive whining about QT/e.
> > >I guess I should now better and stop feeding the trolls (haha, trolltech
> > >toolkits and trolls), but I think it's time to post a big note to
> > >maemo.org and nokia.com stating: "Not interested in QT/e, piss off".
> > >QT is well designed and allows you to build qtopia with X support, no
> > >problem there. Maemo is a platform, not a device, so pimping opie (a
> > >nice platform, which is going to switch to QT4/x11, btw) or QT/e annoys
> > >the crap out of me and judging from the reactions on IRC, a lot of other
> > >people. Maemo uses X, deal with it. Feel free to install what you want
> > >on your *device*, but stop bothering us with FUD about X being
> > >inappriate on embedded devices.
> > >To make it very clear: QT is nice, a hildonized QT would be a neat thing
> > >to have, hildonized KDE apps aren't evil, but maemo is primarely a
> > >X11/GTK platform. Whining about QT/e in the platform (not even the
> > >device!) list is just childish and promotes prejudices about 'the other
> > >side of the fence'.
> > >Either be constructive and start working on proper integration with
> > >hildon and osso, or continue your effort on a more appropriate
> > >mailinglist (qt-interest or something). This is a maemo list, not a
> > >nokia 770 list. Maemo uses X and is a platform.
> > >I appreciate all the work TT and TK do on qtopia, and their apps are
> > >very nice, nothing against that, but don't go bullying on maemo for
> > >being different. I personally carry a deep resentment against QT/e (not
> > >QT, not qtopia), but that doesn't stop me from working and having fun
> > >with the Opie people, it just puts me in a foul mood when I read stuff
> > >like this. Choice is good, so don't stuff qt/e down our throats.
> > >
> > >still with regards,
> > >
> > >Koen Kooi
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > regards,
> > > >
> > > > Koen
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