[maemo-developers] [maemo-developers] Nokia developer contact?

[From: Lorn Potter]

On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 6:36 am, Koen Kooi wrote:

> >> Qt/e has its own framebuffer and doesn't use X, which is part of the
> >> appeal for it on embedded devices, I think the footprint is about 3mb
> >> (Lorn, correct me if I'm wrong) - for my purposes I don't care about X,

Qt/E version 2 with features configured, yes.


> Yes, I know all about the QT/e (and the propaganda coupled with it), but
> the 770 (device) and maemo (X11/GTK platform) use X, so there is no way
> you can 'look reasonable within the existing framework' if you want to
> use QT/e painting directly to the framebuffer. To make it abundantly
Actually you are misinformed. There is an X server that runs in a Qtopia 
window. So I can run any Hildon/Maemo application that you can, in a Qtopia 
environment.


> clear: the 770 is a *device* which you can do with what you want, but
> maemo is a platform that relies on X and to a lesser extent on GTK. The
> previous QT (be it X11 or /e) discussion ended with the note people
> should stop trolling about QT/e and it's suppossedly superiority and
> start working on making QT work with hildon and osso. 
hmm.. I don't remember it ending that way.
How about a different proposal.  Making Hildon/Maemo run on 
Qtopia/Qt/Embedded. :)


> Maemo uses X and 
> GTK, if that offends you or doesn't fit in to your current development
> platform, don't bother this list. Maemo uses X, deal with it. All these
> 'Yes, but qt/e is better' threads start to annoy and aren't
> constructive. 
So dissenting opinions aren't constructive?

> Maemo uses X, curse all you want, but that's the truth. 
> Don't like it? Produce something better and tell us the results, just
> don't start this pre-emptive whining about QT/e.
> I guess I should now better and stop feeding the trolls (haha, trolltech
> toolkits and trolls), but I think it's time to post a big note to
> maemo.org and nokia.com stating: "Not interested in QT/e, piss off".
Good thing you aren't in charge of business at Nokia.

> QT is well designed and allows you to build qtopia with X support, no
> problem there. Maemo is a platform, not a device, so pimping opie (a
> nice platform, which is going to switch to QT4/x11, btw) 
Not switch, but give users a choice. and only if someone actually does the 
work.

> or QT/e annoys 
> the crap out of me and judging from the reactions on IRC, a lot of other
> people. Maemo uses X, deal with it. Feel free to install what you want
> on your *device*, but stop bothering us with FUD about X being
> inappriate on embedded devices.

Whats stopping someone on this list from making Maemo/Hildon run on a 
framebuffer?

> To make it very clear: QT is nice, a hildonized QT would be a neat thing
> to have, hildonized KDE apps aren't evil, but maemo is primarely a
> X11/GTK platform. Whining about QT/e in the platform (not even the
> device!) list is just childish and promotes prejudices about 'the other
> side of the fence'.

and mailing list police also promotes prejudices..

> Either be constructive and start working on proper integration with
> hildon and osso, or continue your effort on a more appropriate
> mailinglist (qt-interest or something). This is a maemo list, not a
> nokia 770 list. Maemo uses X and is a platform.
> I appreciate all the work TT and TK do on qtopia, and their apps are
> very nice, nothing against that, but don't go bullying on maemo for
> being different. I personally carry a deep resentment against QT/e (not
> QT, not qtopia), but that doesn't stop me from working and having fun
> with the Opie people, it just puts me in a foul mood when I read stuff
> like this. Choice is good, so don't stuff qt/e down our throats.

I read stuff like this all the time, from both sides. 



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