[maemo-developers] No more 770 bug activity?

From: Acadia Secure Networks acadiasecurenets at aol.com
Date: Tue Apr 3 23:17:52 EEST 2007

your "pain" is that of the proverbial pioneer in the old West (US) that 
ends up with a few arrows in his/her back. Similar in concept to the 
"pain" the people are feeling who paid 2X for HDTV's a year ago that 
were of less resolution/quality/size than the ones available today for 
1/2x the price.

As I see it, with respect to product support, Nokia is finding its way 
in this product category, Internet Tablet Computers, which are 
positioned somewhere between a smart mobile phone and a full fledged 
server but priced more like a smart mobile phone.

It could be worse. As far as I know, for the Windows Mobile OS, there 
are no patch releases, and, it seems, at most one feature pack upgrade 
per major release (e.g. 2003=>2003 SE, 5.0=>5.0+feature pack whatever, 
etc.).  Not only that, because of the vice-grip that the hand-set supply 
chain (manufacturer=>distributor=>mobile service provider) has on the 
product, it may not even be possible for a given end user to get a 
Windows Mobile feature pack, because someone in that chain is not 
supporting it on the specific handset/mobile service provider combo in 

In comparison, what Nokia has done is a step forward in my opinion, 
although Microsoft, of course  is no paragon of perfection when it comes 
to product support.  I do think Nokia could mitigate this hw 
obsolescence problem for some customers, by having a very generous 
trade-in price to go from the 770 to the N800. In fact, from a marketing 
perspective this could make a lot of sense for a new product category 
like the Internet Tablet. That way Nokia would not have to leave its 
pioneering customers for dead on the "great plains" of product innovation.

Best Regards,


John Holmblad


Acadia Secure Networks


dave.neuer at pobox.com wrote:
> On 4/3/07, quim.gil at nokia.com <quim.gil at nokia.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> >Is there any chance to have a community maintained release? If
>> >I remember correctly some drivers are missing to get there,
>> >any chance to get the open sourced?
>> >From a Nokia 770 customer point of view, any solution around this 
>> device
>> needs to come sooner than later, since devices get old quite fast
>> nowadays.
> Absolutely right.
>> From a Nokia Corporation perspective open sourcing components
>> might be a slow process even if all the parties involved have a clear
>> and common wish opening a specific source code. If we are talking about
>> hardware drivers, the process might be *really* slow. Therefore, there
>> are little chances that the solution for 770 customers comes from Nokia
>> opensourcing components, really.
> Understood.
>> The current hacker edition looks like the best candidate to become a
>> more continued solution. Some people here have got a deep look at it.
>> What do you think?
> No, that's totally bogus: a binary-only distro that's supported by a
> community which doesn't have access to the source? Give me a break.
> Instead, how about Nokia get every bit of source used to build the
> last IT 2006 release which it has permission (both internal and
> external) to release in source form together in _one_ _repository_ and
> then let the community maintain that.
> It would end up being a sort of fork, and we'd need some help from
> Nokia to understand what proprietary components we'd need to replace
> (even if it's just in the form of hints like Igor's about power
> management that I posted a while ago) though obviously real
> documentation would be much better. Additionally, keeping it
> compatible with N800 OS releases would be challenging to say the least
> (maybe Nokia employees could help w/ that little bit, like backporting
> fixes to bugs in the public source).
> Anything else, from both a end-user and a non-Nokia developer
> perspective, IMO, is just crap.
> I mean come on, there are now users of $450 one-and-a-half year old
> devices out there (which didn't work well at all for 1/3rd of that
> time even for basic stuff) that are now being told they also won't get
> "official" fixes for KNOWN BUGS, ever.
> Give me a break.
> Dave
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