[maemo-developers] Scratchbox and maemo development (was Re: sb2 wishlist)

[From: Lauri Leukkunen]

On 4/12/07, Kalle Vahlman <kalle.vahlman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 2007/4/12, Lauri Leukkunen <lle at rahina.org>:
> > On 4/12/07, Quim Gil <quim.gil at nokia.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2007-04-12 at 03:06 +0300, ext Lauri Leukkunen wrote:
> > > Said that, the main elements to consider are:
> > >
> > > - Development via Scratchbox vs development models bypassing SB
> > > - SB vs SB2
> > <snip>
> > > Several pieces moving around, we need to consider all those and come up
> > > with a sensible strategy, and results. All this work is for you guys.
> > > Developers, please have your say.
> >
> > I'm not entirely sure how to interprete this. You're basically saying
> > that Nokia is considering dropping scratchbox and the debian
> > integration model and replacing it with openembedded?
>
> Please keep in mind that scratchbox offers little or no value for eg.
> interpeted language developers. If you write python, scratchbox is
> more in the way with its integrated python than it offers value. If
> the hildon libraries & bindings are compilable natively on a desktop
> system and (better yet) if the "standard" libraries (gtk etc) would
> not have incompatible API, there would be absolutely no need for
> scratchbox if you are writing python apps or plugins.

Totally agreed, but this is pretty much a separate issue.

> > It would be nice
> > if you guys would say things as you mean them instead of going around
> > giving these vague statements.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, Quim meant "we'd like to have a good solutions to
> different needs, not just one for everything".
>
> That doesn't exclude SB.

Doesn't exclude, but you know, not being explicitly excluded doesn't
mean you're included either.
For simple personal reasons I want to know if Nokia is going to use
SB2 and commit to its future development. If they choose not to (which
is perfectly ok to me), I will then know not to waste my time here. By
not giving a clear signal about where they are going, they are
basically wasting my personal time which is infinitely valuable to me.
If people at Nokia think that it's ok to waste developer's time
because it's free-as-in-beer, wake up. Maybe trying to learn the
lesson from 770 abandonment would be a start. I'm not holding my
breath.

/lauri