[maemo-developers] [maemo-developers] New list spin-off?

[From: quim.gil at nokia.com]

Summarizing the first round:

- If developers don't see a clear need to create new lists there is no
point creating them. The problem with this kind of discussions is that
you get the opinions of the ones that are happy inside. It's more
difficult to get opinions from those not reading the emails anymore, the
ones that already unsubscribed and the ones that didn't join (i.e.
because of the amount of traffic). Also, projects grow. Imagine Debian
or GNOME with 2 mailing lists and then filtering. But yes, point taken.

- Let's discuss this idea of separating platform / applications. It was
the original thought, it makes sense. 

- Maemo is a community of developers, if end users end up here is
because they don't have another mailing list where to get support. Nokia
is not providing that space nowadays. The InternetTabletTalk web forum
is doing a great work in this sense, though. We need to decide what we
want to do with the end users among us as well. Until now we are getting
mostly power users, who anyway enjoy discussing near to developers. But
as the Internet Tablets are sold, more pure users are joining this
community and surely many of them will want basic support and only basic
support. What is the approach of the maemo community towards them? 

- There is an offer to discuss Python related topics at
https://garage.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/pymaemo-developers . It's up
to you to officialize this or not. We at OSSO will follow the trend.

- There have been other offers, it looks like we should keep them quiet
by now. I definitely wouldn't make any distinction between 770 and N800,
though. 


And an additional opinion.

Perhaps one day will make sense to have a first experiment with the
Graphics/UI people. Programmers and designers have generally different
mindsets and priorities. Both need to know what the other group is doing
but generally they can do with updated documentation i.e. in wiki pages,
avoiding the internal discussion in the lists. 

One of the purposes of this proposal of creating specialized lists was
to find a better way to interact with specialized developers here in the
OSSO team. We have some brave Graphics/UI OSSO members in this list and
they want to improve the communication with their counterparts in the
community. Let us know if this try would make sense.

--
Quim Gil
Maemo team


>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:maemo-developers-bounces at maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext 
>Tommi Komulainen
>Sent: 31 January, 2007 17:23
>To: maemo-developers at maemo.org
>Subject: Re: [maemo-developers] New list spin-off?
>
>On Wed, 2007-01-31 at 15:22 +0100, ext Frantisek Dufka wrote:
>> quim.gil at nokia.com wrote:
>> I think more lists produce more confusion than single one. 
>In fact I'd 
>> vote for joining maemo-users and developers as there is no really 
>> significant difference in topics posted to them. Developer questions 
>> get posted to maemo-users and vice versa and sometimes topics are 
>> duplicated since people don't read the other list.
>
>The original intention for maemo-developers was for discussing 
>development of the platform itself (think gtk-devel-list) and 
>maemo-users for developing applications to run on maemo
>(gtk-app-devel-list)
>
>We haven't really been pushing people to other lists, though. 
>It may or may not have been a good idea.
>
>
>-- 
>Tommi Komulainen                            
><tommi.komulainen at nokia.com>
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