[maemo-developers] sbox2 & maemo

From: Carlos Guerreiro carlos.guerreiro at nokia.com
Date: Thu Jul 26 20:44:08 EEST 2007
ext Lauri Leukkunen wrote:
> Hi,
> Scratchbox2 can now be found in debian, unstable and testing carry frequently
> updated releases of it. I've been going over a number of packages trying
> to test it. I think it's pretty good considering the limited amount
> of people using it, and the fact that the public maemo rootstraps are an 
> insult to all root filesystems.

> Most problems arise from maemo being totally geared towards SB1, which
> is terribly unfortunate. It has resulted in rootstraps being stripped
> of many essential packages to make them even marginally useful, all because
> SB1 has kindly provided those and even pretended that its versions
> satisfy build-dependencies for them. Target images are quite a bit more
> useful, but require special tools to extract files out of jffs2 images,
I agree that it would make more sense to have all essential
packages in the distro and in the rootstraps rather than
in scratchbox. Being dependent on scratchbox updates in
order to update dependencies is not fun.

> Nokia and Maemo community really need to figure out an easy way for 
> developers to use the real hardware and system-mode qemu. Those are the 
> only adequate solutions for testing and debugging of software.
No doubt system emulation would be a good thing but I wouldn't
go as far as saying that it's the only adequate solution.
For application development you can do a lot with the current
system as you can see in this list and the application catalog.
> Also note that SB2 is totally not interested in doing x86->x86 development,

> like what many people are doing today with SB1. People need to wake up, smell
> the coffee, integrate with debian proper and get with the program. It's
> stupid to maintain a lame x86 port of maemo which nobody wants when all the
Many (most?) people actually do a lot of their development on x86
so at least in that sense you could say they want that distro ;-)
Nevertheless I too would prefer Maemo to be well aligned
with Debian so we could focus more on what is specific to us
and less on redoing their work.
> components should be pushed to debian and ubuntu and get those bigger
> communities involved in their development. One day we will anyway be
Indeed. When it comes to Hildon that is certainly starting to happen now.
> running debian/stable with a few custom components on the tablets.
> That was the aim with this whole debian thing in the first place, remember?
Well, a few custom components is a big understatement ;-)
But yes, building on Debian was the thinking. As you know better
than me we started like that with a snapshot of debian/unstable
and somehow we never really got serious enough about keeping up
with that plan.
> regards, Lauri
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