[maemo-developers] [maemo-developers] I'd like to help improve boot times...

[From: Aniello Del Sorbo]

Sorry, I meant OS2008, not OS2007 :)

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 5:36 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo <anidel at gmail.com> wrote:

> I remember starting a thread last year on the ITT forum (that'd be
> InternetTabletTalk.org forum) asking
> people for how long they kept their tablet on before rebooting.
> The answers could help understand if it's worth it or not spending time on
> improving the tablet's boot time.
> Consider, also, that OS2007 sped up it's boot time quite a lot since
> previous OS versions.
>
> The thread is located here:
>
> http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6889
>
> --
> anidel
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 16, 2008 at 12:27 AM, Jose Antonio Vacas Martinez <
> javacasm at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I think that improving the booting time would be a big step in maemo.
> > I've been using palm pdas for a long time and I miss the 0 seconds
> > booting time.
> >
> > Magnus, if  I can help testing ask me.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 3:26 AM, Ryan Pavlik <abiryan at ryand.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I think it's worthwhile work to look into, because it does take a
> > > while
> > > to boot up.  True, I don't boot mine often either, but mostly because
> > > I've heard (and experience bears out) that on the devices 1 boot =
> > > ~3-5
> > > days of standby/sleep.  My thinking is perhaps if boot is faster, a)
> > > less power is needed and b) sophisticated PM can be brought up perhaps
> > > sooner (this is completely out of my realm though), besides the
> > > obvious
> > > effect of faster boot.
> > >
> > > (Probably the fact the device seems to have 3 separate splash screens
> > > then boots to a not-yet-functional desktop exacerbates the feeling of
> > > a
> > > slow boot.)
> > >
> > > Good luck!  I might suggest trying the VMWare Maemo SDK - for me it
> > > was
> > > way easier to get working than a direct install of the Scratchbox
> > > environment, but of course YMMV.
> > >
> > > Ryan
> > >
> > > Magnus Deininger wrote:
> > > > Well, true that but it sure can be an annoyance if your battery runs
> > > > out and the first thing you notice is that the device is having you
> > > > wait a couple of minutes. And the way I see it, if your device boots
> > > > fast enough, you could just as well shut it down completely instead
> > > of
> > > > putting it into stand-by mode, thus essentially giving you unlimited
> > > > stand-by time.
> > > >
> > > > On the bright side, if if bootup times aren't too much of a concern
> > > > for most users, einit also provides for a centralised hardware event
> > > > handler and allows the actions to this to have very little overhead
> > > by
> > > > being able to write handlers in C or anything else that compiles to
> > > an
> > > > ELF object file. It also has service supervision and provides for
> > > > backup plans if something won't start, which tend to come in handy a
> > > > lot on embedded devices.
> > > >
> > > > -- Magnus
> > > >
> > > > Quoting Frank Banul <frank.banul at gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >> No offence but I would guess most people don't boot their devices
> > > >> very often. It would be nice to have faster boot times but I rarely
> > > >> boot my device. Just an opinion. I hope it's helpful.
> > > >>
> > > >> Frank
> > > >>
> > > >> ----- Original message -----
> > > >> Hi there,
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm Magnus Deininger, aka jyujin, head of the eINIT project, a~nd
> > > I'd
> > > >> like help the maemo project by improving bootup times. One of my
> > > >> friends is telling me that maemo devices are booting 'unbearably
> > > slow'
> > > >> and that this would be quite the complaint with customers; he's
> > > going
> > > >> so far as to offer his Nokia 770 for the cause if i can make it
> > > boot
> > > >> faster.
> > > >>
> > > >> My pet project (eINIT, http://einit.org) is currently doing
> > > reasonably
> > > >> well at making computers boot faster, but we haven't tried to make
> > > it
> > > >> work on too many embedded devices just yet, mostly because we're a
> > > bit
> > > >> tight on devs and time... and people that would be interested in
> > > >> seeing it on their embedded device. We're still doing quite the
> > > >> progress in boot times tho, as could be seen by this little video
> > > >> (taken by that friend of mine who'd like to see his nokia 770 boot
> > > >> faster):
> > > >> http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=-2744120711983143659 .
> > > >> That's booting fairly fast, especially considering it boots right
> > > into
> > > >> compiz... I also made this bootchart: http://omploader.org/vZHdj --
> > > >> which is on my main desktop, without any real optimisations. Both
> > > >> boxes (the one in the video, and mine) used to boot in about 1 to
> > > 1:20
> > > >> minutes before, so that's /quite/ an improvement right there.
> > > >>
> > > >> Now seeing as my friend has some issues with his device, I'd like
> > > to
> > > >> help him, and the maemo project, but since I'm a bit tight on time,
> > > >> I'd first like to know if anyone else is actually interested in me
> > > >> porting eINIT to maemo, since I'd hate setting up a devel
> > > environment
> > > >> for a single device ;). Which brings me to why I'm posting on this
> > > ML
> > > >> in the first place: I'd like to know if people /are/ interested in
> > > >> this or not. Just get right back at me if there's any interest.
> > > I'll
> > > >> monitor this ML for the time being, and I'd also like to invite any
> > > >> interested developers to join our IRC channel, #einit on freenode.
> > > >>
> > > >> So, that concludes my offer I think.
> > > >>
> > > >> Greets, and happy hacking,
> > > >> Magnus Deininger
> > > >> http://einit.org/
> > > >> IRC: jyujin on freenode; #einit
> > > >>
> > > >> PS.: Oh, not to forget, eINIT is BSD-licenced, so there shouldn't
> > > be
> > > >> any weird licencing issues from a business POV either, if that
> > > would
> > > >> ever be an issue.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ryan Pavlik
> > > www.cleardefinition.com
> > >
> > > #282  +  (442) -  [X]
> > > A programmer started to cuss
> > > Because getting to sleep was a fuss
> > > As he lay there in bed
> > > Looping 'round in his head
> > > was: while(!asleep()) sheep++;
> > >
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