[maemo-developers] How to use extras-testing correctly?

[From: Aniello Del Sorbo]

2009/9/24 Niels Breet <niels at maemo.org>:
> On Thu, September 24, 2009 12:25, Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
>> 2009/9/24  <tero.kojo at nokia.com>:
>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: maemo-developers-bounces at maemo.org
>>>> [mailto:maemo-developers-bounces at maemo.org] On Behalf Of ext
>>>> Aniello Del Sorbo
>>>> Sent: 24 September, 2009 12:20
>>>> To: Gil Quim (Nokia-D/Helsinki)
>>>> Cc: maemo-developers at maemo.org
>>>> Subject: Re: How to use extras-testing correctly?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I personally think we're taking a wrong approach to the problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am not developing for  Apple because of their approval
>>>> process and their desire of control.
>>>
>>> That is a different matter alltogether. One device, one shop, complete
>>> control. That has very little to do with a community site like
>>> maemo.org and a deevice using debian repositories.
>>>
>>
>> I am well aware of that :)
>> But if I go thru extras-testing (and I really want to!) then it looks
>> like the Community has the last word on my application.
>>
> Yes, they do. It's a community effort, but look at it from the other side.
> Not one single person or entitiy can block your app. It takes more people
> to block it.
>

I know.. but still.. scares me.. :)

>>>> I don't want my application to go through an approval process
>>>> to reach my users.
>>>
>>> No one is forcing you to place your app in extras. However it is the
>>> place most likely to be found by new users. Maemo Extras should be of
>>> high quality because we will have completely new users to the platform.
>>> We don't want to scare them away, simple as that.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And that's what I want. But I am the one that decides if my
>> application has to go from Extras Testing to Extras. If I decide badly, the
>> Users will uninstall my app and file bug via AM
>> and eventually it'll be pulled out from Extras. Only high quality apps
>> remain.
>>
>
> This really is the wrong way around. Let's say your app corrupted the
> device, then joe user really would have liked that this was caught before
> he ruined his device with it.
>
> Testing takes a bit of time, but has a lot of advantages in the long run.
>

I don't want that either, but I am sure if an app goes thru testing,
it's because the developer doesn't want that either.
And Testing DOES NOT guarantee this anyway.
But helps, but the developer has to collaborate.

I probably trust them more than you :)

>> If I don't get those, may be because few people care, I am stuck in
>> Testing.
>> And this reminds me of Apple approval process.
>>
> You are really looking at it the wrong way. There are only a few dozen
> people with devices now, of course it will take longer to test your app or
> gather a large enough crowd.
>
> I'm pretty sure that when there are thousands of people with devices, this
> will go a lot faster.
>

It will for sure. Well, I still have the feeling that Testing should not impose.
I will put my app thru it, and probably I won't have any issue in the end...
But can we then make something similar to the Testing infrastructure
available to Extras Devel as well?

> Anyway, what's the rush?
>

Who's rushing ? :) :p

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anidel
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