[maemo-developers] Is mauku open source, i.e free or is in non-free?
From: Aldon Hynes Aldon.Hynes at Orient-Lodge.comDate: Thu Jan 28 17:51:55 EET 2010
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Ed, Marius, et al. I think your comment about Maemo grows from being "mostly used by Linux geeks" gets to my key concern. I can see arguments for repositories being either libre or gratis and I believe it is important to re-evaluate these arguments if there is any desire for Maemo to grow beyond being "mostly used by Linux geeks". Personally, I hope that it does. I do not see any intended malice in Marius' email and I do not mean to pick on him. However, I am very concerned that much of the tone here may drive away mobile phone application developers that are not Linux evangelists. I think that would be unfortunate. I would like to see the N900 and its descendents as dominant devices in the smartphone market. To do so, we need to think about how we relate to all developers. Would it make sense for maemo.org to have non-gratis repositories? Personally, I think there is value to this. One of the complaints about Apple is the way they control their App Store. Unless you jailbreak your iPhone, you need to run apps from the App Store, which is a pain to get apps into and gives Apple complete control over what gets run on non-jailbroke phones. While Nokia would probably like to make a cut on every non-gratis app sold, they would probably be wise not to follow the Apple model and become a bottleneck. As such, a non-gratis repository on maemo.org would probably be a good thing. For that matter, given the open nature of maemo, I could easily see someone else setting up non-gratis repositories as their own app stores. This, I believe would be good for the N900 and related devices. As such, we then come back to the nature of QA. Apple uses the QA argument as the reason that they should be the only App Store for the iPhone. Personally, I would love to see different app stores for the N900, with different levels QA. Ovi Store would imply that it has passed a level of QA that Nokia deems appropriate. A non-gratis maemo.org repository would have different QA implications, and a third party app store would have yet another set of implications about QA. I do think your comments help. As I've been saying, I think it is very important to think about how the N900 and maemo exist in a broader mobile device ecosphere. I think the discussion about how we understand and QA mauku provides a great opportunity to look at the bigger picture. Aldon -----Original Message----- From: eopage at gmail.com [mailto:eopage at gmail.com]On Behalf Of Edward Page Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:31 AM To: Aldon Hynes Cc: maemo-developers at maemo.org Subject: Re: Is mauku open source, i.e free or is in non-free? I can't speak for Marius but I can say that "in the (hardcore) Linux world" Free has generally meant libre rather than gratis, except where specifically stated. I hope that the quotes and a parenthetical qualifier for that judging statement show that I am not implying anything good or bad about people who do or do not know the distinguishment. This can be viewed as such a common assumption that when we talk about "free" and "non-free" we mistakenly make the assumption that everyone knows which definition we are using. This might come up more frequently as Maemo grows from being "mostly used by Linux geeks." Please reread Marius' email in that context. I do not think there is malice in his words. As for the value in switching from libre to gratis... Maemo was based on a desktop distribution called Debian which has a strong Free Software (libre) culture. This is where the tradition of "free" and "non-free" repos comes from. Personally I think switching from the repos meaning libre to gratis would add as much confusion as they do now because of Maemo's history. I'm not too sure what would be the point of a non-free (non-gratis) repository as I doubt maemo.org is going to open up an app store and be a means of for-profit distribution especially on Nokia's dime in competition to Ovi. Besides historical reasons in distinguishing free (libre) and non-free (non-libre), I would think it it would mostly matter to community members and mean zilch to end-users. I know there has been discussion of a different QA process for non-free (non-libre) due to its nature but I stopped following the QA process discussions and do not know what the resolution was. I would imagine it would make a big difference to Mer as it would represent packages that the community could auto-rebuild for other architectures or crowd-source if any porting effort was needed. I hope this helped in someway. Ed Page (epage)
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