[maemo-developers] How to resolve network connectivity without using Qt Mobility in Qt?

[From: Daniil Ivanov]

Hi Ville!

   Unfortunately what Sascha is saying is true. You cannot use Qt
Mobility in paid
   applications. See this thread for a details:
   http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-July/027109.html

Thanks, Daniil.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Ville M. Vainio <vivainio at gmail.com> wrote:
> I believed this is a misunderstanding or bad test case on ovi QA side. They
> are trying dpkg -i to ensure dependencies on "clean" environment, without
> awareness that dependencies to nokia repositories are ok.
>
> Advice them of this.
>
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
>> Hi Ville,
>>
>> Let me just copy and paste here a few emails I got from Publish To Ovi
>> Support:
>>
>> As a matter of fact, this app is failed in QA because of "feature of
>> application manager direct installing from deb file cause that installing
>> will complain two dependence library: 'libqtm-bearer and
>> libqtm-systeminfo are missing.'", quoted from internal communication
>> with our back-end.
>>
>> The reason is that Nokia hasn't yet embedded Qt Mobility on N900.
>> Although it will happen soon, currently developers have to manually
>> package the Qt Mobility package with their apps.
>>
>> You may find the Qt Mobility package and its individual packages here:
>> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/q/qt-mobility/.
>>
>> Files ending with _armel.deb are those ones that should be pre-installed
>> on N900 devices, whereas _i386.deb ones are for PC environment.
>>
>> To be specific, for your case, you should at least package the
>>
>> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/q/qt-mobility/libqtm-bearer_1.0.0-maemo1+0m5_armel.deb
>> and
>> the
>>
>> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/q/qt-mobility/libqtm-systeminfo_1.0.0-maemo1+0m5_armel.debinto
>> your final build.
>>
>>
>>
>> And here is a other one:
>>
>> In fact, the issue is not we cannot install the missing libraries on our
>> own; it is that we cannot assume that end-users/consumers have this
>> knowledge to install the dependencies by themselves.
>>
>> Thus, the current workaround for this is to package the dependencies into
>> the app build so that end-users/consumers do not have to handle this
>> hassle.
>>
>>
>>
>> And here is the final one:
>>
>> You can always try to build the Qt Mobility source with your app. The
>> source package can be downloaded at
>>
>> http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/q/qt-mobility/qt-mobility_1.0.2-maemo1.tar.gz;
>> or you can use apt-get source libqtm-bearer to acquire.
>>
>> I'm also working on possible other solutions. Packaging a deb file into
>> another looks like having some trouble currently. I'll let you know if
>> I've made any progress. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>>
>>
>>
>> As you can see what I'm told by them, it seems that they are not using a
>> repository for paid apps. Do you have other information?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Sascha
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 16:16, Ville M. Vainio <vivainio at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Well, that's certainly not the general understanding (inside Nokia) of
>> > how it should work. Do you care to elaborate so that we can escalate
>> > the issue (with the understanding that it's holiday period...)?
>> >
>> > Definitely qtmobility is to be usable for Ovi store applications, and
>> > same applies for all the other packages that can be downloaded from
>> > nokia repos. If this is not currently the case, the process is broken
>> > at the moment. You should not change your apps design because of this
>> > glitch.
>> >
>> > ----- Original message -----
>> > > Hi Ville,
>> > >
>> > > Yes, this is what I thought too, but apparently Ovi Store is NOT
>> > > using a repository for paid apps. So it simply using "dpgk" to
>> > > install the deb files and therefore it's not able to install
>> > > dependencies. It's frankly quite shocking, but this is the situation.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > >
>> > > Sascha
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 15:54, Ville M. Vainio <vivainio at gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Qt mobility is in official nokia repo (not extras). It's ok to
>> > > > depend on those packages when publishing at ovi store.
>> > > >
>> > > > ----- Original message -----
>> > > > > Hi,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > After struggling for about a month with my app and the Ovi Store
>> > > > > QA, this is what I found out: apparently Ovi Store is not using a
>> > > > > repository, at least for paid apps, and therefore cannot install
>> > > > > dependencies. However, at the same time their QA team requires
>> > > > > quite a few things when dealing with network connectivity.
>> > > > > Obviously these requirements are not published anywhere,
>> > > > > otherwise this would be much
>> >
>> > > > > too easy!
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Anyway, this is what I think they want:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > 1. Detectect if the device is Offline and give appropriate
>> > > > > warning. 2. Detect if the device is connected and if not
>> > > > > establish the connection.
>> > > >
>> > > > > 3. If the connection is set to manual, the app needs to give the
>> > > > > necessary prompt.
>> > > > > 4. If the connection is set to automatic, it should connect
>> > > > > without any prompt.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > So these, I believe, are the requirements of the Ovi Store
>> > > > > QA regarding network connectivity. Now the question is how can
>> > > > > this be done without using Qt Mobility (or any other library
>> > > > > that is not included with PR1.2)? Is it even possible?
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It would be nice if there would be a Wiki page or something
>> > > > > where a sample code that would pass  Ovi Store's QA would be
>> > > > > available. I understands that most of the competing platforms
>> > > > > have these sample codes freely available, so to prevent the need
>> > > > > for devs to reinvent the wheel. It's about time Nokia would have
>> > > > > something similar. Currently it seems that while Nokia is
>> > > > > recommending Qt for everyone with great enthusiasm, their QA
>> > > > > team seems to be out of touch what is currently possible to do
>> > > > > with it and what not.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Cheers,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Sascha
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> >
>> >
>
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