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<font face="Arial">Devesh,<br>
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the following commentary from Andrew is somewhat disconcerting since it
suggests that Nokia is somehow holding back on openness:<br>
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<pre wrap="">"I have to say
<span class="moz-txt-citetags">> </span>Maemo and the Nokia 770 have been disappointing in terms of openness"
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Assuming that his disappointment is warranted, what has held Nokia back
in terms of "complete openness" in the context suggested by the above
comment? Is there some commercial concern that, by being more "open",
that Nokia will be somehow more vulnerable to competitors developing
similar hardware that runs the same software platform as the N770? It
is not even clear to me that it is legally possible under the terms of
licensing for Linux based software to take the parts of Linux that one
likes but to hold other parts back in order to retain a competitive
advantage in the marketplace.<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:devesh.kothari@nokia.com">devesh.kothari@nokia.com</a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">ext Andrew Barr wrote:
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<pre wrap="">On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 18:47 -0300, Alessandro Ikeuchi wrote:
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<pre wrap="">While I certainly don't agree with the angry tone used, I have to say
Maemo and the Nokia 770 have been disappointing in terms of openness. It
seems to me that Nokia has opened just enough to get apps ported and/or
written for the device, which in turn sells more devices, or at least
that appears to be the plan. Nothing has come of recurring requests for
information about the Bluetooth hardware (e.g. for headset support), Ogg
Vorbis support, or Gstreamer/DSP multimedia internals in general. Some
things that are missing from the Subversion repo don't even make sense,
e.g. there is no hardware secrets or patents associated with them (at
least as far as I know) The media player apps come to mind here.
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<pre wrap=""><!---->What I agree is that we need to strengthen the architecture documents
BTW getting strarted with multimedia development doc was updated
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://maemo.org/platform/docs/multimedia/getting_started.html">http://maemo.org/platform/docs/multimedia/getting_started.html</a>
(section Plugin development) which describes how to enable ogg-vorbis
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<pre wrap="">Maemo really isn't open in the sense that we're used to: like a
traditional Linux distribution. It seems to be more of an SDK plus
things that were required to be open, e.g. due to licensing terms.
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<pre wrap=""><!---->I think one of the reason for that could also be attributed that most
general linux distributions are targetted to PC/laptop which have
relatively well defines standardized hardware architecture. What we have
tried to do with maemo is
- provide a common development environment and tools for Nokia 770 and
future devices (SB, rootstraps etc)
- provide (as a priority) to enable application development
- enable experimentation like ability to compile your own kernel, create
your own rootfs and all the benifits that could be leveraged from a
debian based component package management system
Now what we are concentrating on, beside improving the above is to
enable participation and contribution in stages to different parts of
maemo, starting with HAF/Sardine which I hope would extend. The starting
up and adoption barrier for sardine are being recognized, and we are now
trying to make it easy to adopt and use sardine, without sacrificing the
genral device usability. This would enable the patches or feature
implementations by community to be made and tested on the latest svn
codebase, so the component owners can integrate/accept/reject them.
There has been excellent work done for enabling dual boot by Frantisek Dufka
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BootMenu">http://maemo.org/maemowiki/BootMenu</a>
which I hope would enable the experimentation atleast in the large area
of HAF/sardine (comprising the majority of the middleware stack like
gtk+, theming, desktop, tasknavigator, control panel, application
installer etc) to happen on MMC based sardine rootfs
Devesh
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<pre wrap="">This is unfortunate, because it creates a burden on the Nokia employees
working on this project. They are the only ones who can add many
requested features or fix bugs, so in many cases people complain to the
mail list because they cannot take care of things themselves. You don't
see patch mails on the maemo-* lists. That's to say nothing of ideas
people have had but been unable to implement--trivial stuff that would
improve the Maemo environment but may not have been discussed on the ML.
To me, the open-source economy (or whatever) that makes some projects so
great doesn't work here because the "community" is relegated in large
part to the role of application developer. The best you can do to
improve some parts of Maemo is suggest it and hope someone at Nokia
takes it up.
These are just my impressions from informal observation and occasional
participation in this endeavor. If you think I'm way off base or crazy
or something, please feel free to tell me or ignore me.
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