Kimmo and Quim:<br><br>First of all: I did not start this thread as an attack on the Maemo team, nor was my comment, "that's disappointing," meant as an attack. It is a simple statement of fact; it is disappointing to me that Maemo 5 does not yet have the infrastructure in place to be able to run hardware-accelerated 3D graphics in OpenGL ES applications.<br>
<br>To me, this is a very important feature for any future device, and I was disappointed that this is not apparently a high priority within Maemo. <br><br>I really want the next Maemo device to succeed, and one of the first things the gadget blogs and technophiles will want to see is the games. This means making Maemo 5 games friendly, and to me that means making it easy to port existing OpenGL games to Maemo 5.<br>
<br>I don't know the internal workings of Maemo, and perhaps you have a good strategy in place for games; I was thinking purely of porting existing Linux games that were written for OpenGL. So I began thinking of what needed to be in place for this porting to be done. <br>
<br>I also admit I might have been influenced by the video of Quake3 on the Pandora. :-)<br><br>I also don't expect Maemo to port the games, I'm just concerned that the path will be too thorny to encourage others to do it.<br>
<br>Alan<br><br><br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_quote">2009/6/3 Kimmo Hämäläinen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kimmo.hamalainen@nokia.com">kimmo.hamalainen@nokia.com</a>><br>
<br></span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">I already said that I'm working on non-composited mode, didn't I? I<br>
don't have to do this, but I'm kind person :)<br></blockquote><div> <br>
<snip><br>
<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Well, the device is not out yet, so how far it could be?<br>
</blockquote></div></blockquote><br><br>Thank you for working on it. <br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 3, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Quim Gil <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quim.gil@nokia.com">quim.gil@nokia.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Hi Qole,<br>
<div class="im"><br>
Hamalainen Kimmo (Nokia-D/Helsinki) wrote:<br>
> On Wed, 2009-06-03 at 09:17 +0200, ext Qole wrote:<br>
>> That's quite disappointing.<br>
<br>
</div>Well, more disappointing would be a hildon-desktop inconsistent,<br>
sluggish, buggy and with weird wrong interactions between GTK+, Hildon,<br>
Clutter, OpenGL ES, Xorg, OMAP3 kernel... and more brave technologies<br>
Kimmo and others are dealing with, putting them for the first time in a<br>
commercial product.<br>
<br>
What Kimmo is saying quite frankly (as he is a pure developer as opposed<br>
to people like me, more into words) is First Things First.<br>
<br>
He is also saying that there is plenty of work only the people in the<br>
Fremantle project can do, while there are many other things others can<br>
do thanks to all these technologies being open source.<br>
<br>
It makes sense that Nokia engineers like Kimmo concentrate first on the<br>
things that need to be in place in order to release a successful product<br>
with Maemo 5 inside.<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Quim Gil<br>
open source advocate<br>
Maemo Software @ Nokia<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>enthusiast, n. "One whose mind is wholly possessed and heated by what engages it; one who is influenced by a peculiar fervor of mind; an ardent and imaginative person."<br>