HI,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 5:14 PM, Graham Cobb <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g%2B770@cobb.uk.net">g+770@cobb.uk.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">On Friday 08 January 2010 16:27:07 Valerio Valerio wrote:<br>
> Hi,<br>
><br>
> on a related note, some people are also suggesting a category for<br>
> plugins[1] and stuff that is invisible to the users until they activate<br>
> them(we've already a lot of them in the repos), I think I read about some<br>
> plans to add this category, not sure, but could be a good opportunity to<br>
> add this category as well.<br></div></blockquote><div><br>Well the plugins category is out of scope here, was just a possible discussion point. <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class="im">
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</div>NOOOO!!!<br></blockquote><div><br>Well the community made a decision, it was discussed during a long period of time here and in TMO, don't you think we should respect the community decision ?<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
That is the whole problem with this "solution". The **problem** is<br>
NOT "command line apps"! The problem is "things which do not install an icon<br>
to run them". CLI apps are the most visible examples today (because they are<br>
cheap to port, and because they are mostly, but not all, quite geeky) but<br>
they won't always be. For the ordinary users they aren't interested in<br>
whether this app doesn't have an icon because it is a command line utility or<br>
because it is a behind-the-scenes daemon or because it is a control-panel<br>
applet or because it is a plugin or because it is an updated dataset for an<br>
application or ...<br>
<br>
We don't need one category for each of those. We need a solution to identify<br>
things which do not install an "application" as far as the naive user is<br>
concerned (i.e. they do not install an icon in the panel of icons for<br>
applications).<br>
<br>
And the answer to that is not categories at all. The category (network,<br>
office, system, game, ...) is completely othogonal to how it is invoked or<br>
used. A new set of levels for a game should be in the games category, but it<br>
will not install an application icon. openssh-server should be in the<br>
network category, but it doesn't install an application icon, nor is it a<br>
command line app. openssh-client should also be in the network category and<br>
is a command line app.<br>
<br>
The CLI apps category is the wrong solution. And adding more categories is<br>
even more wrong.<br>
<br>
The right solution is to use <a href="http://maemo.org" target="_blank">maemo.org</a> instead of HAM as the way for most<br>
users to install things and for the website to show applications based on<br>
popularity. If a command line app can rise to the top of the popularity list<br>
despite not having a GUI then that is great! In practice it won't and the<br>
command line apps will be low down the lists in their categories (along with<br>
the clunky GUI apps, the non-finger-friendly apps, the buggy apps, etc.).<br></blockquote><div><br>Don't know if I get it, your suggestion is to not change anything ? <br><br><br>Best regards,<br><br>-- <br>Valério Valério<br>
<br><a href="http://www.valeriovalerio.org">http://www.valeriovalerio.org</a><br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
Graham<br>
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