[maemo-users] my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

From: Ferenc Szekely ferenc at maemo.org
Date: Fri Jul 20 15:28:36 EEST 2007

On 7/20/07, Tomas Junnonen <tomas.junnonen at nokia.com> wrote:
> Ed Bartosh wrote:
> > I'd look at it from community point of view. If we want to have one more
> > line in /etc/sources.list or in some other configuration file why we
> > should wait for Nokia to do that? Is it so hard to make some package for
> > this and put its .install file somewhere on garage?
> Defaults matter. By enabling extras through an install file on garage
> you're limiting yourself to the hardcore crowd who knows to visit garage
> in the first place.
> That's not to say the community couldn't step up to make extras The Repo
> right now without Nokia's help. I'm just saying the incentive for doing
> so is weak at the moment.
The repo is not without help. I am helping anyone who runs into
trouble. It is also me who invites people every now and then, but
invitation does not come just by asking. The person in question should
have a "proven track record" of Debian packaging. I usually check
previous packages before clicking the button in garage to send out the

> > What I mean is that nothing prevents community to make it 'the repo'
> > The only two things are missing: clear criteria to get there and team of
> > uploaders or even one uploader. Then if it works it can be improved
> > easily.
> > As a start point simple voting system should be enough, I believe.
> > I can help with uploads, if needed.
> Clear criteria and a community vetting process for acceptance are the
> key points, and in my opinion the way to go about implementing this is
> to integrate it tightly with Garage:
>  - Make requesting repository access a function of the existing project
> administrative web-interface, not emailing some dude.
This is among the plans, but right now it is only me who is hacking on
garage and on the other hand trying to manage other site related
development activities. GForge is open source, I am more than willing
to check and accept contributions, such as a plugin. I don't have
enough time unfortunately.

>  - Requesting access through the interface creates an entry in a ticket
> tracker, where it can be voted and commented on. Access is granted (or
> not) when a repo admin resolves the ticket.
Great idea, contributions welcome.

> >> If there's any additional hoops to jump through people just aren't going
> >> to bother.
> > Yeah, I can see that. And you know what? It's not because Nokia not
> > doing this and that, it's just because of people who don't bother. As a
> > result we have this mess with tons of repositories and .install files
> > instead of one extra. And we also have users, who have to deal with this
> > mess.
> There will always be people who just don't bother. By creating
> incentives for participating (larger audience, out-of-box experience)
> and at the same time lowering the entry bar (automation, well defined
> process) eventually you would reach critical mass and extras becomes the
> first choice for a developer seeking a distribution channel.
I wish you or others who care help me out. As said there is nobody atm
who could hack on garage. I am more than happy if somebody joins and
we could share the work (and joy).

> Regards,
> Tomas


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