[maemo-users] my two big fustrations with the N800 - please help me find aworkaround!

From: DZ oculus at mail.ru
Date: Sat Jul 21 11:51:29 EEST 2007
So, the first experiment can be is to adopt packages for 4.2007.26-8 make  
'em a base for earlier platforms dist-upgrade. Initially the list of  
packages from clean 3.2007 and 4.2007 installations should be created for  
analysis of the difference. Am I right?


On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 17:37:26 +0400, Ed Bartosh <eduard.bartosh at nokia.com>  

> On Fri, 2007-07-20 at 15:12 +0300, Tomas Junnonen wrote:
>> Ed Bartosh wrote:
>> >> I think at least partially it's because there's no carrot being  
>> offered
>> >> to the developers. If the Extras repository was included in the
>> >> Application Manager by default, although disabled (as Multiverse is  
>> in
>> >> Ubuntu, you can show a disclaimer when enabling it), people would be
>> >> more likely to upload to it:
>> >>
>> >> - It creates awareness of the repository. Outside this mailing list  
>> few
>> >> developers are likely to even know of the existence of this  
>> repository.
>> >> If the repository is visible in the manager you can Google for
>> >> instructions on how to get your own software there.
>> >>
>> > I'd look at it from community point of view. If we want to have one  
>> more
>> > line in /etc/sources.list or in some other configuration file why we
>> > should wait for Nokia to do that? Is it so hard to make some package  
>> for
>> > this and put its .install file somewhere on garage?
>> Defaults matter. By enabling extras through an install file on garage
>> you're limiting yourself to the hardcore crowd who knows to visit garage
>> in the first place.
> I agree with this. But considering the fact that we already have more
> than 3,5 thousands registered garage users it's not bad to start with
> them just to prove the concept.
> Of course it's much harder than just sitting and blaming Nokia :)
>> That's not to say the community couldn't step up to make extras The Repo
>> right now without Nokia's help. I'm just saying the incentive for doing
>> so is weak at the moment.
>> > What I mean is that nothing prevents community to make it 'the repo'.
>> > The only two things are missing: clear criteria to get there and team  
>> of
>> > uploaders or even one uploader. Then if it works it can be improved
>> > easily.
>> > As a start point simple voting system should be enough, I believe.
>> > I can help with uploads, if needed.
>> Clear criteria and a community vetting process for acceptance are the
>> key points, and in my opinion the way to go about implementing this is
>> to integrate it tightly with Garage:
>>  - Make requesting repository access a function of the existing project
>> administrative web-interface, not emailing some dude.
>>  - Requesting access through the interface creates an entry in a ticket
>> tracker, where it can be voted and commented on. Access is granted (or
>> not) when a repo admin resolves the ticket.
> Sounds like a plan. Any volunteers?
>> >> If there's any additional hoops to jump through people just aren't  
>> going
>> >> to bother.
>> > Yeah, I can see that. And you know what? It's not because Nokia not
>> > doing this and that, it's just because of people who don't bother. As  
>> a
>> > result we have this mess with tons of repositories and .install files
>> > instead of one extra. And we also have users, who have to deal with  
>> this
>> > mess.
>> There will always be people who just don't bother. By creating
>> incentives for participating (larger audience, out-of-box experience)
>> and at the same time lowering the entry bar (automation, well defined
>> process) eventually you would reach critical mass and extras becomes the
>> first choice for a developer seeking a distribution channel.
> I can't say for others but for me personally incentives are obvious:
> - ability to install my favorite packages in one click in AI or one run
> of apt instead of looking for them and dealing with possible
> installation issues.
> - having one place for trusted working software which is known to work
> and tested by others
> - easy upgrades
> - hapiness of users
> Isn't it enough? It seems that it isn't and I still don't understand
> why.

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