[maemo-users] 4.2007.38-2 available

From: Mike Klein mklein at vxappliance.com
Date: Wed Oct 3 04:47:09 EEST 2007
Regardless of my most likely incorrect categorization...it exists and
affects #s reported that if people don't include category they fall
into...then #s mean nothing.

Nokia knows it is a problem and plans to address it anyways...so kudos
to them.

Since N800 isn't a phone I can't see comparison to iPhone being
relevant. For a Linux device...the N800 is quite user friendly and I
believe "Joe Consumer" would have a good time with it...short of
codec/cpu limitations and certain videos not playing well.

PepperPad3 is another example of a Linux device you could (kind of) give
to Mom. I handed mine off to mother recently and she had no problem
accessing her web-mail, playing games and watching videos/etc. I'd

Minimal functionality? As much as I harp on my other devices...I don't
critique the N800 for having no func out of box. My only gripes are lack
of eyelet/ring for neck lanyard, no phone/3g/keybd and cpu speed/codecs.
I can't scream about lack of a2dp when linux in general suffers in this
area. Yeah I want higher res and hdmi out...but we must be patient...


Gary Baribault wrote:
> Hey Mike,
> 	I think most people who are minimalists would not get involved in a
> Linux device, they would have gone for the IPhone. Sure there will be
> some of them who purchase a 400$+ device for minimal functionality, but,
> and I may be mistaken, the red wine is getting to me here, most of us
> have purchased this N800 for the power features, I have a Debian based
> device with BT and WiFi and 2 SD slots!!! YEAH
> As I said, the wine could be getting to me here in Montreal, but THAT'S
> why I bought this toy, and that translates to 90 minutes plus if I have
> to reconfigure it at each flash!!  And I repeat, Nokia, I'm not
> bitching, thatks for the great toy, it's already making my life much
> better, but please re-arange your priorities to give us this feature
> before others.
> Gary Baribault
> Courriel: gary at baribault.net
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> Mike Klein wrote:
>> These #s mean nothing without taking into account target user as you
>> mention.
>> Do Nothing: This person buys device, installs a few apps and nothing
>> Minimal: These users install bunches of apps, certificates, pgp keys
>> Maxmimum: Power Users/Devt who fully tweak device, custom drivers, conf
>> edits, perhaps beyond restore-ability
>> So for primary audience...what is prob' 30min. reinstall time isn't too bad.
>> mike
>> Gary Baribault wrote:
>>> Yep, that's exactly what I mean, some people have put down 430$ (in
>>> Canada) for a nice toy, and they can flash and restore in 20 minutes,
>>> but most people (I think, and I may be wrong) have put down 430$ for a
>>> fully customised device .. I'm not looking to be skewing information, if
>>> i'm wrong, then I'm wrong, no prob, then Nokia is right!
>>> Gary Baribault
>>> Courriel: gary at baribault.net
>>> GPG Key: 0x4346F013
>>> GPG Fingerprint: BCE8 2E6B EB39 9B23 6904 1DF4 C4E6 2CF7 4346 F013
>>> drfredc at drfredc.com wrote:
>>>>> I'm sure that some of the N800 owners can backup/flash/restore in 20
>>>>> minutes, but I would really be curious how many people take over 90
>>>>> minutes.
>>>>   If you limit your curiosity to those over 90 minutes, you'll 
>>>> purposefully skew the results, which really isn't appropriate. 
>>>>   I'm a 20 minute flash and restore kind of guy, back in August when I 
>>>> got the unit back from warranty service due to it's brick like 
>>>> behavior.  Most of that time was spent watching TV while the unit and 
>>>> laptop did their work.
>>>>   However, it's possible that it's easy and short for me because I've 
>>>> kept things relatively simple on my N800 with a couple games, Gizmo 
>>>> Project, Quiver photo viewer and Claws mail being just about the only 
>>>> additions.  I've configured about 20 RSS feeds and 4 weather stations.   
>>>> I've tested a fair amount of other stuff from Maemo, but then when I 
>>>> find it of limited value or unfunctional, I remove it to keep the 
>>>> clutter down.   It seems to speed boot up keeping things simple.  I 
>>>> gather it may also help the restore process...
>>>>    I guess the fine print is I've only recently started messing around 
>>>> getting Claws Mail up to full speed with filters and stuff, so it might 
>>>> be possible that I might have to spend some time fussing with restoring 
>>>> some Claws settings there from a restore, but then again, perhaps not.  
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