[maemo-users] N810 is here

From: Kahlil Johnson jzarecta at gmail.com
Date: Thu Oct 18 17:57:43 EEST 2007
On 10/18/07, John Rudd <john at rudd.cc> wrote:
> Ralph Angenendt wrote:
> > John Rudd wrote:
> >> Kahlil Johnson wrote:
> >>> Wow, still no OGG.... when will maemo people ever learn. Who cares
> >>> about AAC, give us OGG.
> >> Huh.  I have many AAC files.  I have no OGG files.  Why should even
> >> remotely care about OGG?
> >
> > How weird. I have no AAC files but a big bunch of ogg files, why should
> > I even remotely care about AAC?
> >
> > IOW: What is the point you are trying to make?
> Pretty simple: why should I be upset (or sympathetic to the upset that
> Kahlil was expressing by trashing another format) about the lack of OGG
> support, or the presence of AAC support.
> >> Or is this one of those "you absolutely need it for interesting content
> >> in Europe, but it's absolutely useless for content in the Americas" type
> >> situations?
> >
> > Huh? What does it have to do with America/Europe? It's about *open* and
> > *free* music codecs - neither AAC nor MP3 are free.
> It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with America/Europe. The
> question was asking "_does_ it have something to do with America/Europe"
> ... as in, I'm trying to figure out why OGG support would be so
> important as to induce the comments Kahlil made.
> And, no, it's not about "open and free".  Since the developers in
> question are Nokia (since the comment was directed at the release of the
> N810 itself, and not a request for more 3rd party development), it's
> about how much effort the developers need to put into supporting
> something vs. the amount of return they get from supporting it.  Given
> all of the other things that are on Nokia's plate for the internet
> tablet development, why should OGG be a priority?  What thing only comes
> in OGG format, that they need to support now, instead of later?  Or that
> they need to support directly, instead of leaving to the efforts of 3rd
> party support?

Well for one OGG is the default audio format for Linux. FLAC and OGG
are almost supported by default under the Gstreamer framework which is
what Maemo used for it's audio (AFAIK).

The development of yet another audio player exclusively for OGG seems
a waste of development. Adding ogg to gstreamer and enabling the media
player to recognize the format looks like an easier development and
less confusing for it's users. If I get a 3rd party app for OGG I will
need to split my playlists that includes Mp3 / OGG. From a User
Experience it just deteriorate not having OGG support. As for what is
being distributed on OGG-only format. Most of the podcast that I
listen to I get the OGG feed for them. Podcast are one of the
internet's best growing initatives in audio consumption and having a
Linux handheld that can be used as a media player and not support a
primarily Linux standard seems like a bad design decision.

What things come in AAC only form now?

> I'm as interested in open and free as the next person, but there's
> nothing about the comment I was replying to that captures that.
> > And I don't really see the problem with supporting *also* ogg.
> I don't either.  But that's clearly not what the initial request was
> about, or it wouldn't have also attacked another format.  By asserting a
> value judgment about "AAC vs OGG", that then leaves the question of what
> value is actually being implied in that assertion.

AAC was an example, could have pic another proprietary format other
than MP3. Sure Mp3 is the commercial standard for audio but it doesn't
just support mp3 but other formats, formats that are even less used.

> If the person just wanted another format to be supported, then they
> could have just said that.  But they didn't.  If they just wanted an
> open/free format to be supported, then they could have just said that.
> But they didn't.

Well OGG support has been requested many times in this list. Having to
ask for support of OGG wouldn't be my main complain but that they not
just have ignored the support for OGG but also expanding to other
formats that doesn't necessarily add value to me.

In other words, why you give me bacon when I been asking you for more
lettuce for almost 2 years now?

Now just to finish my soapbox, I wonder how really open is this apps.
We all know the framework is open but can you just submit a patch to
the default media player that maemo comes with and expect to have the
change implement on the next version?

Kahlil Johnson
"Ya tengo GMAIL!!"

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