[maemo-users] maemo on GTK FB

From: Rodrigo Vivi rodrigo.vivi at gmail.com
Date: Fri Jul 4 22:43:53 EEST 2008

On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 11:39 AM,  <sandeepsp at mistralsolutions.com> wrote:
> Hi Rodrigo,
> I am using OMAP3EVM board, which is more or less similar to 3430sdp.
> If Mamona 0.2 is going to support 3430sdp, then I believe it will work for
> OMAP3EVM board with minimum effort.


> btw, when can we expect the mamona 0.2
> release approximately ?

August, I believe.

> We are targeting for apps like web browser, address book, media player,
> myTube etc, and at the same time we want packages to be open-source.
> (without any closed binaries or proprietary componemts)


> OE/Manona would be a good choice over maemo sdk. I read (from an abstract of
> FOSDEM2008)that mamona has not yet supported skype, codecs and flash( am I
> wrong here ?). Any hints on the apps mamona 0.2 will support ?

You are right. We don't support many(few?) user applications yet. For
Mamona 0.2 we won't have them too.
At this moment we are focused on the Platform itself.

You can say that Mamona 0.2 is going to be a flexible and hackable
meta distribution where you can experiment your web browser, address
book, media player, myTube, and other applications.

But let me explain a little bit about the SDK idea to avoid confusion.
We are going to release an SDK that is a simple chroot environment to
application developers that want build compile and experiment their
packages on Mamona running on Nokia's IT or omap3430sdp AND there is
the Mamona-OE build environment that is used by platform developers or
developers that want to hack the platform itself to upgrade glibc for
example or add some missing library, etc... Always being open! ;)

> Thanks and Regards,
> Sandeep
> Quoting Rodrigo Vivi <rodrigo.vivi at gmail.com>:
>> Hi Sandeep,
>> are you using the omap3430sdp board? If so I believe that you could
>> try OpenEmbedded + Mamona to build your environment for omap3430sdp,
>> or wait until Mamona 0.2 release (soon) that will support omap3430sdp
>> providing gtk packages and a sdk...
>> Take a look at http://dev.openbossa.org/trac/mamona and at #mamona @
>> freenode
>> Cheers,
>> vivijim
>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Ryan Pavlik <abiryan at ryand.net> wrote:
>>> You might want to look at Mamona, which is an attempt to independently
>>> build an entirely open source flash image for the Nokia devices.
>>> Otherwise, you might also look into OpenEmbedded.
>>> Ryan
>>> sandeepsp at mistralsolutions.com wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> Thank you all for the quick reply and the valuable info. I think GTkFB
>>>> does not provide all the functionalties required for my project, so I
>>>> am planning to go with X. Could anyone tell me approximate size of
>>>> Maemo/GTK/X11 package for an ARM board ? Is there any howto document
>>>> available for porting X11/GTK/hildon/maemo which lists packages and
>>>> the version dependencies ?
>>>> Warm Regards,
>>>> Sandeep
>>>> Quoting Eero Tamminen <eero.tamminen at nokia.com>:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> ext Dave Neary wrote:
>>>>>> Matt Emson wrote:
>>>>>>> Sandeep, my understanding is that Maemo sits on top of a  framework
>>>>>>> called
>>>>>>> "Hildon" that is based on GTK+, but not necessarily the same thing
>>>>>>>  entirely.
>>>>>>> Others will be more precise, but YMMV greatly as to how easily it
>>>>>>> is to implement.
>>>>>> Hildon sits on top of GTK+, and uses/augments it. I suppose it's
>>>>>> possible that Hildon contains some X11 specific code (I really have no
>>>>>> idea), but if it uses only GTK+ and glib calls, then it should work on
>>>>>> that whatever the back-end is. In GTK+, there are a few different
>>>>>> elements - the widgets themselves don't have any X11 drawing code, and
>>>>>> draw using GDK, the GTK Drawing Kit (actually GIMP Drawing Kit
>>>>>> historically) - GDK is where different back-end code gets added, such
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> gdk-x11, gdk-win32, gdk-directfb and gdk-quartz.
>>>>>> My understanding is that GTKFB is just GTK+ using the directfb
>>>>>> back-end
>>>>>> of GDK - but I don't actually know of anyone using it in a device at
>>>>>> this time. Best advice is try it & see.
>>>>> And not having X11 there means that:
>>>>> - window manager/management
>>>>> - input method
>>>>> - clipboard
>>>>> don't work.
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>> Rodrigo Vivi
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Rodrigo Vivi
INdT - Instituto Nokia de Tecnologia
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