[maemo-users] Nokia: Linux Needs to Learn Business

[From: Samer Azmy]

Aniello,

I totally agree with you, and all Please remember Open Source is kinda of
licensing and it is the way to license the work , not to work and create for
single reason which is making it Open Source
Please remember as much as Open Source is needed Close Source is Needed

Regards
Samer

On Sat, Jun 14, 2008 at 12:46 AM, Aniello Del Sorbo <anidel at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't understand.
> We always ask companies to become open source and they had almost never
> listened.
> Now that Nokia is moving towards open source, we shout at them.
>
> What's the reasoning ?
>
> By the way, Ari was just talking to "you".
> You say that they can make their own chip...that's exactly what he wants.
> That "you" should try to learn and understand why they don't.
> There is a reason and neither you or me know it.
> Until we learn, too.
>
> By learning this, we can improve our efforts on helping the companies on
> the path towards open source.
>
> --
> Aniello Del Sorbo
>
> ----- Original message -----
> > Nokia has the resources to develop its own chips, which it could
> > easily keep open. That would solve the problems for everybody (meaning
> > consumers, developers and Nokia). But they're not doing it out of fear
> > of backlash from the closed community. Heaven help the company that
> > sticks its neck out and breaks the industry wide open for *real*
> > innovation...
> >
> > That goes double for FIC and Openmoko.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Aniello Del Sorbo <anidel at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Ari reply:
> > >
> > > <http://jaaksi.blogspot.com/>
> > >
> > > --
> > > Aniello
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 8:15 PM, tanguyr <tanguyr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I'm with you: i put a grand and a half of nokia products in my pocket
> every
> > > > day (n95 8gb + n810 + bluetooth gps, headset, headphones, etc) and
> nokia can
> > > > kiss me and my gadget budget goodbye unless i get what i want: a
> phone that
> > > > behaves like my laptop, on which i can install any app i want (open
> or
> > > > closed source, free or commericial), for which i can write real first
> class
> > > > apps (not python scripts) which i can distribute to thers without
> having to
> > > > jump through stupid "signing" hoops. I'm not a hippy: i'm willing to
> PAY for
> > > > this, and i'm sick and tired of marketroids telling me why i can't
> have it
> > > > (the carriers won't allow it. the manufacturers won't allow it. it's
> for
> > > > your own good, just bend over and spread 'em). The n810 had me fooled
> - i
> > > > dreamed of a world where nokia realized the futility of fighting the
> iPhone
> > > > by slapping a layer of touch-screen lipstick on the symbian pig.
> > > >
> > > > Guess that pig's more of a cash cow than i thought.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 7:47 PM, mathew <meta at pobox.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Aniello Del Sorbo wrote:
> > > > > > I think that what Ari wanted too say is that Nokia and the
> industry in
> > > > > > general is not YET ready to work the way the open source
> community
> > > > > > wants them to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Well, goodbye then Nokia. We'll all switch to OpenMoko or Android.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I read his wording this way: "we want to listen and we are
> listening
> > > > > > and actually even doing steps towards those open source rules.
> But the
> > > > > > community asks too much and too fast.
> > > > > > We listen and act. You do the same."
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't buy DRM-crippled media and won't buy a phone I can't unlock
> and
> > > > > do what I want with. If that means I never buy another Nokia phone,
> so
> > > > > be it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I loved my Nokia back in the 90s, but the company really lost its
> way,
> > > > > producing a succession of really lousy "fashion" phone designs that
> were
> > > > > totally impractical, and failing to realize that quad band and
> Bluetooth
> > > > > were de rigeur for a business phone. I thought the N series showed
> that
> > > > > they had gotten a clue, but this stupid comment--by their VP of
> open
> > > > > source, no less--really has me wondering.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > mathew
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > anidel
>
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