[maemo-users] Diablo's Modest/Email

From: Julius Szelagiewicz julius at turtle.com
Date: Mon Sep 8 21:48:57 EEST 2008
For privacy and robustness use your own server. Make it as dependable as
you wish. I didn't mention something that seemed obvious to me: Encrypt
everything! Use strong encryption, encrypt mail boxes or whole drives. For
sensitive messages exchange the keys with your correspondents.


On Mon, 8 Sep 2008, Mark wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:32 AM, James Knott <james.knott at rogers.com> wrote:
> > Mark wrote:
> >
> >> The assertion that IMAP is better for use on multiple computers is
> >> absolutely untrue, as I have had great success with POP3 on multiple
> >> computers for many years. The truth is that I have more precise
> >> control, with much less fussing and finagling, with POP3 than with
> >> IMAP. As a matter of fact, most of the assertions about IMAP's
> >> supposed advantages over POP3 are patently untrue.
> >>
> >> The truth is that IMAP has some limitations of its own (ironically due
> >> to its online server-oriented nature) that don't exist at all with
> >> POP3, and while IMAP may be better for some, POP3 is far better for
> >> others.
> >>
> >> It's the difference between Windows and Linux: IMAP is Windows,
> >> bloated and trying to be all things to all people, whereas POP is
> >> Linux, with the power to do *exactly* what you want it to do and do it
> >> a lot more efficiently, you just have to know how to get it done.
> >
> > This is one area where I have to disagree.
> You have every right to have differing requirements and usage, but you
> don't really have a right to disagree with the premise, which is that
> different people have different needs. If IMAP works better for you,
> great! That's exactly my point. I started this argument because
> somebody said "IMAP is what *you* want", not "IMAP is what I
> prefer"...
> > Having used POP and IMAP,
> > there's no way I'd use POP when I have a choice.  I read my personal
> > email on a variety of computers, including one at work.  With IMAP, my
> > mail is consistent on all computers.
> ... which is exactly what I *don't* like about IMAP. I also do email
> on a variety of devices, from a desktop with huge amounts of storage
> and processing power to my tablet, with relatively modest processing
> power and relatively microscopic storage. I can store *everything* on
> my desktop and easily back it up, work with a significantly smaller
> subset of that on my laptop, and only the necessary stuff on my
> tablet. I've used devices that are so limited that IMAP simply isn't
> an option (it's not supported). I use Procmail to do filtering and
> routing pre-Inbox, which greatly reduces the amount of network
> bandwidth used by spam and other garbage, as well as increases
> organization.
> > I don't have to remember to
> > download a message to a computer, before it disappear from a POP server.
> I've never had a message "disappear" from a POP server that I didn't
> *specify* to be deleted. Any "disappearing" messages are due to
> incorrect settings, faulty filtering logic or bugs in the client. It
> has nothing to do with POP3 or IMAP.
> >  I don't have to remember what computer I sent a message from, when
> > searching my sent messages.
> Neither do I. That's what the search function is for, and if in doubt
> I know everything is on the desktop.
> > No matter which computer I use, all the
> > messages are there and when I delete from one, I delete from all, since
> > the mail is stored in a common location.
> Again, this is a *limitation*, not an asset, as far as I am concerned.
> I find it ironic that people who are ordinarily paranoid about
> privacy, reliability, control, etc. don't have a problem putting their
> faith in some server that could be anywhere, and could be out of
> service at the worst possible time, along with all your old email.
> Also, anything that exists on a server not under your direct control
> can be accessed by others without your knowledge or consent. On the
> other hand, if your messages are only on the server for a short time
> and you keep your stuff offline, you will at least know if somebody
> wants it because they will either leave a trail or will have to
> subpoena *you*, not somebody else. (No, I'm not paranoid about this,
> but it is a valid issue.)
> (And if you're still saving all your email to *any* of your local
> machines, you're utterly invalidating any possible arguments you may
> have as to IMAP's "advantages"...)
> Yes, I know that IMAP can be set up to act like POP3, but the reverse
> is also true, and because POP3 is my preference, I don't like having
> to jump through those particular hoops.
> In actual fact, there isn't enough difference between POP3 and IMAP
> for even my arguments to bear much weight: the difference is more in
> the implementation and usage than in the protocols. I just don't like
> someone else telling me what I want. ;-)
> >
> > However, the above does not excuse the problems of with the mail program
> > or the arrogance of some.
> >
> Okay, rant over. :-)
> Mark
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