[maemo-users] Diablo's Modest/Email

From: Mark wolfmane at gmail.com
Date: Thu Sep 11 18:11:29 EEST 2008
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 3:06 AM, Simon Budig <simon at budig.de> wrote:
> Mark (wolfmane at gmail.com) wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Simon Budig <simon at budig.de> wrote:
>> > Mark (wolfmane at gmail.com) wrote:
>> >> Baloney! You really don't know what you are talking about. Unique
>> >> message ID's are part of the internet mail standard. I've never seen a
>> >> message that didn't have a unique Message ID.
>> >
>> > I get tons and tons of different spam messages, sharing the same message
>> > id. Not that I care much about the spam, but there is nothing that
>> > enforces uniqueness.
>> You just shot yourself in the foot with that one: desireable messages
>> do indeed have unique IDs, so if you get multiple messages with
>> identical IDs, that's a very quick and easy way to identify and zap
>> spam...
>> The same thing applies to missing IDs - if it doesn't exist, send the
>> message straight to /dev/null. Problem solved!
>> So tell me again exactly how this is a negative or is a problem?!?!?!
> It is not a problem, it just shows how your original claim above
> backfires on yourself.
> As I said above, I am not really talking about spam vs. ham. Your claim
> did not differenciate between wanted and unwanted mail,

...because spam is irrelevant. Who cares about any attribute of spam
whatsoever? At the very least, ignore it, but better yet, discard

> and - as much as
> I hate it - Spam messages *are* E-Mails and obviously nothing *enforces*
> unique IDs, so it is notoriously unsafe to rely on their uniqueness.

I've never had a problem relying on the uniqueness of Message IDs. To
say that it is "notoriously unsafe" isn't just an exaggeration, it's a
lie. Whether the uniqueness is "enforced" or not would be irrelevant
if not for the fact that non-unique IDs are actually helpful in
discarding spam...

> Even wanted mail might have non-unique IDs since broken Mail clients are
> known to exist.

If somebody insists on using a broken Mail client, that's their
problem, not mine.

> Not that I am surprised that you did not get the message...
> Bye,
>        Simon

Right, again with the insults. Really helpful...


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