[maemo-users] Nokia device usage

From: Matt Emson memsom at interalpha.co.uk
Date: Sat Mar 7 18:23:24 EET 2009

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On 7 Mar 2009, at 16:05, Julius Szelagiewicz <julius at turtle.com> wrote:

> Mark,
>    You can substitute "Motorola cell phones" for "Nokia tablets" and
> your arguments will remain valid. Hardware is easier than software.
> julius

Now, that's just plain mean!! No company makes phones as bad as  
Motorola ;-)

> On Fri, 6 Mar 2009, Mark wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Andrew Flegg <andrew at bleb.org> wrote:
>>> John, you wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>> I have to agree with Mark that, implicitly, Nokia misleads the  
>>>> public to
>>>> the extent that it markets the IT's along side of its other mass  
>>>> market
>>>> mobile phone devices if, in fact, the IT's are a work in progress  
>>>> (I
>>>> agree, they are, unfortunately)  that will take 5 generations   
>>>> and a few
>>>> more years to get the product ready for the mass market.
>>> I don't think they're yet ready for the mainstream, but I don't  
>>> think they're an albatross around the neck of anyone who buys  
>>> them, as your Amazon figures show:
>>>> N800
>>>>     4 stars out of 5 with a sample size of 172
>>>> N810
>>>>     4 stars out of 5 with a sample size of 93
>>> Anyway, let's remember the "not ready for mainstream" point...
>>>>     Over a period of three years, I can count on one finger the  
>>>> number
>>>>     of individuals besides myself that I have actually seen
>>>>     carrying/using an IT
>>> As you say, the mainstream aren't buying them yet. If they're not  
>>> ready for the mainstream, that's a good thing, no?
>> Not really, because as long as they can keep selling them in
>> relatively small numbers to fanboys they don't have to worry about
>> supporting them or ever polishing them to the point that they are
>> living up to their full potential. Do you really think the successors
>> will be any better? They'll keep updating the hardware, and keep
>> spending far too little time finishing the software. No generation
>> will ever be better than the current ones in that respect.
>> What good is fantastic hardware without software that can make full  
>> use of it?
>> The N800 has been discontinued for a while already, and at this point
>> there's zero chance that I'll ever be able to use the hardware to its
>> full potential. Nokia has already moved on, and once the next
>> generation comes out most of the kind and generous developers who are
>> supplying us with apps for the current crop will move most of their
>> attention to the new device. They've already said that there will be
>> zero backwards compatibility with the OS and software because the
>> hardware is going to be fundamentally different.
>> Do you not understand that as long as they keep coming out with new
>> devices and dropping the old ones there will NEVER be one that is
>> ready for consumers? In order for a device to be ready for consumers
>> they have to stand by it long enough to finish the software.
>> Mark
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