[maemo-community] Incorrect election title on voting page

From: Quim Gil quim.gil at nokia.com
Date: Tue Sep 9 13:40:35 EEST 2008

ext Ryan Abel wrote:
> The problem _for me_ is that the Council (at least in the way it was  
> planned out, the elected council is certainly free to look into  
> redefining its own purpose however it chooses) isn't really seeking to  
> be representative of everything that makes up the "Maemo Community".  

What makes up the Maemo community in addition to maemo.org?

- ITt (working on better links and integration as we speak).
- Blogs not in planet (they can request aggregation)
- Users not active in any of the above (we want to get them involved,
otherwise is difficult to listen a silent and anonymous user)
- What else?

Looking at the Purpose and Roles described at
http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council we see a representing body
that takes into account the maemo.org channels as well as "ITt, etc". In
fact many candidates were first and best known at "ITt, etc".

I keep seeing no problem.

About the maemo.org requisites, they constrain who can vote or be
elected but maemo.org itself doesn't need to be the constrained scope.
Look to the usual public elections: minors, convicts and most foreigners
can't vote or be eligible but they are inside the scope and the elected
representatives better listen to them and make policies that satisfy
their needs.

The difference with the Maemo community is that acquiring maemo.org
citizenship is fairly simple, trivial. Being eligible is also pretty
simple once you are involved. Again, what is exactly the problem?

> Largely because this is both not feasible and, in some cases, not  
> really desirable. 

Representing the Maemo community is as feasible as representing the US
citizens, the FC Barcelona fans or the students of a second grade
school. Technically is clearly impossible. It's up to you to trust or
not the usefulness of the democratic abstraction.

About the "not really desirable", what are we talking about? Identify
the cases and ask the elected council not to pretend any
representativity with them.

> So the differentiation between a "Maemo Community  
> Council" and a "maemo.org Community Council" is important.

Is it? "maemo.org community" sounds artificial and narrowed to me. Is
the community handling a website?

I also have re-checked
- where I guess the first seed of the Community Council was planted.
Already there you see maemo.org as reference of the Maemo community even
if the scope is not explicitly restricvted to it, and most of the topics
raised have to do with Maemo-the-software in addition of Nokia's
participation in maemo.org-the-community.

> Perhaps I'm splitting hairs too much, and perhaps it's not as  
> important an issue as I believe it is, but it certainly has seemed to  
> cause some confusing already.[1]
> [1]http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23388

All communities have been a bit confused the first time they were
involved in a democratic process. The confusion in that thread is mostly
about a user that didn't find the ballot he received and an ITt user
questioning the fact that people get voting rights only through a
maemo.org account (which was discussed already).

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Quim Gil
marketing manager, open source
Maemo Software @ Nokia

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