[maemo-community] Brainstorm: useful?

From: Quim Gil quim.gil at nokia.com
Date: Mon Nov 2 11:28:40 EET 2009

ext Henri Bergius wrote:
> Hi,
> The new Brainstorm UI is available for testing on internal now (for
> those who have access there). 

fwiw, copying here the feedback sent to Oskari. I also moved
http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/landing_in_brainstorm/ to
Under Development.

ext Oskari Kokko wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > The new UI for brainstorm is now in testing-phase on internal.

Feedback on the basic things:

Checking the URL as anonymous throws plenty of errors

[function.call-user-func]: First argument is expected to be a valid
callback in /usr/share/php/midcom/lib/midcom/helper/_dbfactory.php on
line 465

They disappear if you log in.

> >
> > What's done at this point:
> > * New navigation

The concept is good, but about the presentation we agreed on using the
right column, getting rid of the Community navigation ("Mailing lists",
"Wiki" etc).

The items could be sorted this way in the column:

"This text is intented to be short welcoming text. You can edit this
from component configuration. <link>More</link> (HIDE)

Proposals: 0
Solutions: 0
Thumbs Up: 0
Thumbs Down: 0


SHOW (Feed icon)

All ^

All ^

All ^

Sorted by
Votes ^

> > * Fixed rss-links

Didn't test but the URLs look good.   ;)

> > * Welcome-text (if you hide welcome text while logged in, hiding get's
> > saved to your person stats and it stays hidden)

Nice idea. 3-4 lines in the column + a link to
http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_brainstorm is all we need.

> > * Lovered the amount of words viewed in listing phase

Still the lists look unfinished. Adding the solutions gives too much
information. I would go for lists with simpler entries for each proposal
allowing listing more proposals in a single page. Thingls like who
posted the proposal and when are less relevant. The format could be:

<Listing criteria e.g. "Sandbox, waiting, sorted by popular">

<Vote proposal widget> <Proposal title>
<Category> - Filed by <user> on <YYYY-MM-DD>
<Proposal excerpt>

<Vote proposal widget> <Proposal title>
<Category> - Filed by <user> on <YYYY-MM-DD>
<Proposal excerpt>


No selected solutions, no "Comment on idea or propose a solution" since
it's in the title link already.

> > * Selected solutions are now show a bit better in idea view.

It took me a while to realize that there is no "+ ADD NEW SOLUTION"
button, but a duplicate "MY BRAINSTORMS" button linking correctly to the
URL to submit a new idea.

Still, I couldn't find a page to check how a page with several solutions
proposed and one selected looks like. I tried to move
to Under development selecting one or two solutions but I'm missing

> >
> > There is still some things to do about what we agreed a week ago, but
> > this much I got done now, continuing after few days. I would like to
> > hear some testreports from you, is there any bugs and is there
> > completely wrong.

You also improved the homepage!!

I fail to deduce what are "Coldest solutions" and "Most commented"
should probably go out since the comments need to go out altogether
since Talk discussion will come instead. But I see where you are going
so let me propose something to expand it:

Hot proposals				Hot solutions
* <karma> <proposal title>		* <karma> <solution title> on
* 175 Maemo should run on netbooks	<proposal title>
* 10 listed				* 5 listed

Fresh proposals				Fresh solutions
* <MMM D> <proposal title>		* <MMM D> <solution title> on
* Nov 2 - Maemo should run on netbooks	<proposal title>
* 10 listed				* 5 listed

Development started			Implemented
* <proposal title>			* <proposal title>
* Up to 10 listed			* Up to 10 listed

Need voters				Need solutions
* <proposal title>			* <proposal title>
* Up to 10 listed			* Up to 10 listed

Hot proposals = Proposals with highest thumbs up + thumbs down Under

Hot solutions = Solutions with highest thumbs up + thumbs down Under

Fresh proposals = New proposals Under consideration

Fresh solutions = New solutions Under considerations

Development started = New proposals Under Development

Implemented = New proposals Implemented

Need voters = New proposals in Sandbox

Need solutions = New proposals without solutions in Sandbox


I believe people will look and use Brainstrom differently with such main

Also Misc:

- Let's remove comments altogether. For now links to Talk threads can be
added manually to the proposals while being in Sandbox.

- Voting proposals is still missing. Just a friendly reminder.   :)

- We agreed that solutions can't be voted while being in Sandbox. At
that stage it should be possible to vote only the Proposals.

- I can vote one thumbs up and one thumbs down on the same idea. This is
a common problem of the widget, since it's the same in Packages. Not
always though. The desired behavior is a toggle to vote either thumbs up
or down, or at least clicking again on a thumbs up/down would restate
the vote to 0.

> For others, I posted a screenshot of the
> new front page:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bergie/4067327297/
> In the new UI ideas can be filtered based on Status, Milestone and
> Category, or a combination of those. Each of such lists has an RSS
> feed, so this should make it easy to follow the areas of Maemo you're
> interested in.
> 2009/11/1 Randall Arnold <texrat at ovi.com>:
>> - we decide upon action tags for Brainstorm items, to be used by Brainstorm
>> subforum moderators (currently Quim and myself) in posts designed to move
>> things forward
> Categorization and statuses on Brainstorm should handle that for you,
> or would you like additional tags (folksonomy) to ideas/solutions?
>> - automation implented to fire off emails to appropriate parties and/or lists
>> based on tag values
> There is an RSS feed which IMO is better for notifications.
>> -Randy
> /Henri

Quim Gil
open source advocate
Maemo Devices @ Nokia
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