[maemo-community] "Community service pack"

From: Randall Arnold texrat at ovi.com
Date: Tue Dec 14 17:04:43 EET 2010
Beautifully put, Thomas.  ;)


> ----- Original message ----- 
> From: "Thomas Perl‎" <th.perl at gmail.com>
> To: "List for community development‎" <maemo-community at maemo.org>
> Subject: Re: "Community service pack"
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 15:47:55 +0100
>Hi Ville and List,
> 2010/12/13 Ville M. Vainio <vivainio at gmail.com>:
> > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Felipe Crochik <felipe at crochik.com> wrote:
> >> "official" qt. Power users and developers will be able to move on with the
> >> development and testing and have everything ready for when "the next pr
> >> comes".
> >
> > "The next pr" is probably not something to optimize our plans around ;-).
> Wasn't one of the advantages of the SSU to be able to update single
> packages from official repositories if need be? Would it be possible
> to provide updated (and fixed) packages of Qt 4.7 and Qt Mobility
> through the official channels as a single-package SSU, as opposed to
> doing a PR1.4 (which probably requires building of new images as
> well)? This way, users and developers just need to update through the
> application manager once they have installed PR1.3 (either
> re-flashed).
> It's sad that even in the Brave New Qt World, we "invent" even more
> workarounds (dpkg-divert for the win?) and pseudo-meta-packages and
> dependencies on them and what not. If Nokia is really not interested
> in releasing any updates for Maemo 5, we should better focus on
> empowering the Fremantle Community SSU and releasing fixed Qt packages
> through that channel, and make sure that everyone uses the Community
> SSU. This would be more sane, cleaner and less confusing than the
> current "oh, we don't tell you we don't support Maemo 5 anymore, and
> you don't even get any updates to the buggy Qt that shipped with PR1.3
> - come on, let's create some hack-ish workarounds".
> As Qt and Qt Mobility should ideally be the only developer-visible
> APIs in the long term, having up-to-date Qt libraries provided by the
> vendor can go a long way in preventing "fragmentation". The situation
> is the same for Symbian^3 at the moment - there's only Qt 4.6, and no
> official way for end users to get 4.7. There are developer packages,
> but they should not be deployed on end users' devices. So no QML apps
> for Symbian^3 users until Nokia cares to bring out an update. Great!
> (not..)
> Please, no more dirty workarounds and hacks. Just push Qt + Qt
> Mobility updates through the official SSU channel (or even just the
> bearer fix - which is really a bug!). If that's not an option, that's
> a signal that there is no more official support from Nokia for Maemo
> 5, in which case the Community SSU should be pushed forward and
> promoted.
> Thomas
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