[maemo-community] Maemo Elections - Extended

From: robert bauer nybauer at gmail.com
Date: Mon Apr 2 19:52:37 EEST 2012
On Mon, Apr 2, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Quim Gil <quim.gil at nokia.com> wrote:

> On 04/02/2012 01:07 AM, ext Andrew Flegg wrote:
>> On 2 April 2012 04:58, Sunny B<sunnyb7532 at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>> We have already started plans to centralize open source parts of the
>>> community at www.maemocommunity.org.
> Why the need to create a new Maemo site - in 2012? Apart from paying the
> maintenance bill, Nokia is not doing anything at maemo.org. The cost is
> mainly the extras/downloads part, which is something not trivial (neither
> cheap) to replicate elsewhere.
> What is the reason in moving away from maemo.org?
There are several reasons - the last reason for many of the developers is
that there are projects and software being developed which are being
hindered by the lack of cooperation we are getting from Nokia/Nemein.  For
example, we have a long list of fremantle packages to be promoted and the
blocker is Nokia/Nemein.  Extras downloads does us little good if packages
can't get into extras.  The problem is serious - we can't even get replies
to our emails.  If you can help, we would be very appreciative.  There is
also generally the possible sunset of maemo.org at the end of the year and
that the open source parts of the community have learned it is unwise
to let its future depend on other entities.

> And still... maemo.org has in place many elements that other projects
> would wish to have. With some perspective I believe the problem is to
> define a project around a brand in a time and industry when brands can be
> so volatile.

Agreed that there are many elements that we want, except maybe for garage.
We have had some discussions already that you apparently don't know

> If I would change anything in maemo.org I would go in the direction of
> widening the scope to "mobile + open + Linux", keeping the current angle on
> Nokia products but opening explicitly to other targets - making them feel
> home.

We cannot make that change at maemo.org, and so we have another answer to
your initial question.   ;-0

> Then the infra behind http://apps.formeego.org is almost the best kept
> secret in the "mobile + open + Linux" community. Some connection would be
> beneficial for everybody.
It's not a secret to us (but the governance is).  Do you remember when I
cautioned about that fragmentation in the first place?  Well, we asked
Niels/Matti Airas to explain a proposal to combine harmattan and
maemo.orgmonths ago and have received no response.  What do you do in
such a
situation?  Let another person's inactivity stifle your own activity? So we
started plans to move on in large part because we have no other option.  If
a connection can be made, then good.

> PS: Is there a thread at talk.maemo.org where I can re-post this? The
> current active community follows a lot more the forum than this list, I
> believe.
>  I suggest you reacquaint yourself with recent events first.  Most
> importantly, this is going off-topic.  Let's keep this thread about council
> elections.
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