[maemo-community] Open Letter from the Hildon Foundation Board to the Maemo Community

From: Misha Ketslah thezogg at gmail.com
Date: Sat Nov 10 13:49:38 EET 2012
 I think this is a good example of answers you got above: it's pity but as
we have such kind of questions ( and i mean not question itself, but as was
told above one that keep coming and refuses to get any answer except one he
wants), the Council, and it doesn't matter how it's still pointless and
waste a time for Council too, need to handle those, so Board can have time
and opportunity to work on things that matter more and have more priority.

 I see it as our community needs "kindergarten teachers", who would lead
them through first steps to understand what's really matter. And hopefully
with time, there would be more active and strong members in community
itself who would slowly replace Council and would be this filter for "any
pips" and "i know better" "question". I'm not saying we don't have those
members, but in my opinion they want less be involved in this
"kindergarten" matters. And as we only start the foundation and it's not
finally formed yet. And we need those levels, but as i said i think in time
those levels (mostly of importance and real things) would be evolved
naturally and then we would see if we still need Council or maybe it would
be replaces just by most active and contributing to community(not in
development, but management level) members. Or maybe we will never be
mature enough and Council will have this job. But for now as there is job
for Council, we need them!


On 10 November 2012 12:36, twilight312 at gmail.com <twilight312 at gmail.com>wrote:

> **
> With all due respect, I don't feel like receiving answer for my (kind)
> question, about rationale for proxyfing communication between Board and
> Community, through Council (other than historical tradition of
> Nokia->Council->Community, to filter "noise).
> If it's only existing rationale, I accept it as answer, but it's very
> disappointing one, to say at least. Furthermore, question was directed to
> Board, and while I appreciate any imput from other people, I was interested
> in direct opinion of Board members.
> ---
> I'm *not* implying that I speak for the Community - I speak for myself.
> What I implied, though, is that Community expressed extreme lack of
> interest in Council, by not carrying to even throw own names into hat, not
> to mention voting. Thread about Council election is full of *ridicolous*talks about who should submit, and then ask to *not* being voted, or who
> should withdrawn candidacy (or not) and when, to allow constructing Council
> at all - one, that wouldn't exist, without such tricks.
> Honestly, the thing that happened around "democratic" election of Council
> would even offend Belarusian and Chinese democracy standards. It was pure
> joke, embarassing to witness, even as observer.
> Given mentioned lack of *natural* interest from Community members to
> candidate for Council position, I feel justified to say, that Community
> wasn't interested in Council (lack of) election or existence, at all.
> ---
> I'm not implying that anyone is doing "dictatorship" here - enen less the
> Board, that is formed by quite respectable people. Hoever, amount of
> agression, that simple questions bring, makes me wonder. It's not new
> thing, that "goverments" losing Community legitimations, tend to become
> more agressive and repressionistic.
> Such thing is clearly visible @ TMO - few of my friends running hardware
> projects, that also lost faith in TMO being safe place to continue them
> (projects), are *afraid* to post info about place where they're moving with
> their ideas, due to risk of being opressed by rogue moderation. If
> something like this would happen a year ago, I would - myself - call them
> paranoic. Now, I understand it very well.
> In years of Nokia paying bills, people were - many times - expressing
> their opinions against Nokia in much less civilized manner, that Council or
> Board was *ever* criticized. *Now, even simply writing, that practice of
> candidating to Council and asking "people, don't vote for me" (instead of
> revoking own candidacy - to support creating Council, that shouldn't exist,
> due to lack of interest)* is making jokes of democracy, result in being
> assigned *ban on TMO.*
> Sure, all of this can be blamed on decomposition of TMO, in last days of
> its existence - and I hope, that there is no more to it. After all, it
> would be sad to conclude, that in times of Foundation, censorship, lack of
> freedom for expressing opinions, denial of witnessing any critic by
> "rulers" etc is becoming Maemo's standard, for upcoming A.D 2013.
> Such "radicalisation of goverment" would, sadly, mean that we're
> spiralling down into oblivion, as history proven many times - in both
> micro- and macro- scale.
> ---
> Thanks for reading this long letter. Thanks in advance for not reacting
> histericaly, agressively, or in any offensive manner. Yes, I understand,
> that by yesterday decret, TMO moderators are keeping "order" on mailing
> list too, and I will accept any ban on mailing list, for writing above
> (/harmless joke).
> /Estel
> On sob 10 lis 2012 10:32:16 CET, Ruediger Gad <r.c.g at gmx.de> wrote:
> > On 11/10/2012 08:40 AM, twilight312 at gmail.com wrote:
> > ...
> > >
> > > Not that Community's doubts really matter - sadly, "leadership" will
> do
> > > what they want, and no one is putting that into doubt. Still, as said
> > > earlier, asking questions and presenting opinions/doubts isn't crime
> on
> > > mailing list (yet). Wouldn't be surprised, if last one is going to
> > > change for worse, soon, though.
> > >
> >
> > First of all, board and council are as much part of the community as you
> > are.
> > Secondly, apparently no one else in the community (except you) has
> > objections against what the board/council is doing. Which is a very good
> > sign that they are in fact doing what the community wants.
> >
> > Asking questions is completely legit. You asked a question. You got the
> > answer.
> > This is not about asking the very same question over and over again
> > until the answer changes to something that suits you more.
> > I am very happy that board and council are well organized and reply
> > uniformly.
> >
> > Personally, I am also very happy that we have volunteers who take care
> > of important things during their free time.
> >
> > Please stop implying that there was some kind of dictatorship. This is
> > simply not true (full stop).
> > Also please stop to imply that you are speaking for "the community". You
> > are definitely not speaking for me.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Ruediger
> >
> >
> >
> > PS: Please excuse the noise.
> >
> >
> >
> > > /Estel
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
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