[maemo-users] Not enough memory

From: Christian Walther cptsalek at gmail.com
Date: Wed Feb 17 11:59:49 EET 2010

On 17 February 2010 09:49, Daniel Martin Yerga <dyerga at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi.
> ----- Original message -----
>> Nelson,
>> > I must say I am really disappointed at how painful it is to do an
>> > update on the N900.
>> I have to agree. I was especially annoyed by the crap on
>> http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.1.1:
>> "There are reports that at least 42MB of free rootfs is needed for
>>  the update. You have probably installed unstable software from
>>  Extras-devel or other source with weak quality control. The simple
>>  solution is to uninstall anything not coming from Ovi and maemo.org
>>  Extras."
> That's not crap, it's a very wise advise.
> If you want that everything works as it should, then only use stable software from Extras and Ovi. You will able to update without problems.

sorry, I have to agree with Johan -- it is crap.
A living and healthy ecosystem consists of applications that attract
users. Not all of these applications are good, it's mainly about
quantity (which gives the user a choice). This is one argument for the
iPhone (90.000 apps in the store). So basically Extras and Ovi is not
I don't know about you, but most news I read were about either the
iPhone or Android. That's the hype. Nokia recently either has no media
coverage, or a rather bad one. Yesterday for example I heard a newsman
saying that "until two years ago, there were no Apps and that people
had to stick to applications installed by their carrier." Obviously
these people missed ages of Symbian smartphones that allowed to
install apps downloaded from the internet.
The merger of Maemo and Moblin to MeeGO? Many people consider this to
be a bad thing, because of all the changes Nokia made to its
smartphone ecosystem recently. There's the Qt vs. Gtk issue (is there
a need to port all apps to Qt? Will Gtk be dropped?), which is
discussed in comments of german news articles. Maemo 6 goes along the
same lines: Why publish a new major version number of an OS, when its
predecessor is not even a year old, and still has bugs? Some people
wonder if buying a N900 is a good thing, because the question really
is if Maemo 6 will run on it. Nobody wants to waste 600 Euro on a
device that is deprecated a few month later..
The "Ovi maps 3.0" issue has been discussed on this list, too. Yes, it
matters to the end user. Why pick Maemo when the apps for Symbian are
much more advanced and mature? Nokia should've released Ovi maps 3.0
for Maemo, too, because it would've shown that they are committing to
Bottom line: Maemo isn't an established smartphone OS and all the
changes recently made don't work in this direction.

Apart from that, I really can't understand why Nokia doesn't supply
tools that allow to build clean packages, e.g. ones that install in a
location of their own, without saving *anything* to a location used by
the Maemo OS. This is not impossible, on the contrary: All BSDs have a
packaging and build system that does exactly this, same applies to
OpenCSW for Solaris packages. Both even install newer libraries if
The space issue reminds me of days long ago and nearly forgotten: When
I first got my Sharp Zaurus SL-5000 it was a problem to install
additional software, and several attempts were made to solve this.
That this issue exists in 2010, in the 5th release of an OS makes me
wonder what Nokia before.

And yes, I know that this is maemo.org and that it isn't driven by
Nokia. But IMO Maemo can be considered as being a Open Source project,
and as such it is about a community, consisting of active developers
and users. And developers AFAIK want powerful tools. It should be in
Nokias best interest to cater for its community.

Please don't get me wrong, I really like Maemo and had many reasons to
choose the N900 about any other device. I don't regret the choice but
think that we should openly discuss Maemo flaws. One of Maemos
strengths is its openness, which should be of interest for any open
source enthusiast. It doesn't rely on an appstore, and its packages
are available freely on the net in a well known format. This is simply
brilliant and a dream coming true! OpenVPN, an Instant Messenger that
can be installed using plugins (or Pidgin), the possibility to use any
programming language one wants, a vast amount of media players
supporting many different formats -- just to name a few.
For the user it simply shouldn't matter where a package comes from, as
long as this package has been built using the official tools "and
stick to the rules" everything should be fine. AFAIK "maemo-optify" is
a community solution, but it should've been supplied by Nokia in the
first place.

And, honestly, what do you think is the appropriate reaction of any
user to a sentence like "The simple solution is to uninstall anything
not coming from <insert source here>"? Feels a bit like being slapped
in the face...

Christian Walther
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