[maemo-community] Explaining karma
From: Dave Neary dneary at maemo.orgDate: Thu Aug 14 16:06:09 EEST 2008
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Hi, Jonas Hurrelmann wrote: > On Thursday 14 August 2008 11:57:53 Dave Neary wrote: >> Some people have said in https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2481 >> that their contributions haven't been counted fully, and we should of >> course ensure that the karma plug-in is working if we're going to use it >> for anything more serious than giving unofficial kudos to people. > >> There are some other issues with karma - this is something of a list: >> https://bugs.maemo.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+de >> sc&bug_status=__open__&product=&content=karma > > So in short, karma is currently broken and hence should not be used to entitle > one to vote or getting elected. That's not how I'd summarise - I'd probably say "karma is somewhat flawed, there are some unconfirmed reported problems with it, but it's the best we have right now". > For now there still seem to be two points: > > 1) Getting a vote in the election process, which in my opinion is out of > question to be limited by some (faulty) karma value and is dangerous for the > perceived legitimacy of the council. > > 2) Getting a chance to be in the council. I think most people can live with > some karma value as a basic burden (me too). Anyway, what I said in my > previous argument still seems valid to me: If the candidate has done nothing > relevant (measured in "human perception" not in "karma"), the "democratic > process" should stop him from becoming a council member. So I do not see your > eager "need" for this measures in the first place. While I disagree with "dangerous", I am not opposed now to using only the existence of a maemo account 3 months before the election date as the eligibility condition. I will generate a list of eligible voters based on this. ========= Interlude ========= Where I take huge issue with your logic is your blind faith in the "democratic process" - the unstated principles that you depend on are that "all people's opinions are equal", and "our community must be all-inclusive for its elected representatives to have legitimacy". In free software communities, all opinions are not equal. There is a barrier to entry, which is participation. Prove your worth, you get the keys to the kingdom. Mob rule does not equate to democracy. Most civilisations have a minimum age requirement for voting in elections because children are not considered to have sufficient life experience to make that decision. In free software communities, new members are not considered full card-carrying members straight away, for the same reason. There is a culture to maintain. And allowing anyone to vote is not democracy at work, it is mob rule. I want the council to represent doers in the maemo community, not the ranks of observers out there who don't really contribute to improving things in any meaningful way. I agree with you that we need to improve how we measure contributions, but doing away with any measurement on the grounds that it's "democratic" is not something I want to do. Cheers, Dave. -- maemo.org docsmaster Email: dneary at maemo.org Jabber: bolsh at jabber.org
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