[maemo-community] Sprint Task Status Update SSO

[From: Qole]

Thanks, penguinbait.

I have also struggled to follow what is happening regarding the sprints.

It can be frustrating to see 0% tasks with no comments for me too.

At the very least, could the qaiku #maemork comments always have the task
ID? I think non-task "business as usual" (BAU) shouldn't be tagged #maemork.
Perhaps a separate channel for task related and non-task related comments?

I'm not really concerned that the paid maemo people are keeping busy. I want
to see comments on tasks, and non-task comments in the channel are just
"noise" to me.

How about #maemosprint as a channel for task-only comments? #maemork can be
kept more general... What's going on in your workday: #maemork, What's going
on in a sprint task: #maemosprint

Can you use multiple tags in Qaiku?

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 2:07 PM, penguinbait <matthew at penguinbait.com> wrote:

> Thank you Ferenc.
>
>
> On 11/05/2009 05:04 PM, Ferenc Szekely wrote:
> Things started to move forward this week only. Yesterday I sent an email
> about our current server map to the ISP and reported it in #maemork [1].
> Did you miss it?
>
>
> http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/view/1dec9b12cc931c8c9b111dea843f1561d5250d250d2/
>
>
> I actually did not miss it, however I just don't know what that means in
> the scope of the project, so it really means nothing to me?  That's what I
> am trying to convey.  Is there a delivery date?  Are there anticipated
> tasks? Is this one of them? ->  "Sent out a doc about current servers to the
> new ISP. This should help them planning. 9.10-07"   I understand you cannot
> share all details of what you may be working on, I guess I am looking for
> perhaps a timeline for each of the tasks?
>
> I am not trying to pick on Ferenc, he was just the next task on the list I
> was sent to.  Since SSO cannot be implemented until migration to the new
> server and upgrade of migard is complete.
>
> Again I was only looking for a way to find out whats going on and if I
> could help in any way.  I am not trying to pick on anyone or point any
> fingers, I am just wondering if there is a better way to report sprint
> tasks?  I think any priority "MUST" task should have a timeline or at least
> an anticipated completion date?  If your waiting for another task to
> complete before your task can continue, you should have a timeline or an
> amount of days needed to complete your task once the other task is
> completed.
>
> How do you know when anything is going to be done or if its behind
> schedule?  How do I know if 5% of a sprint task is 1 day or 10 days. Maybe
> you have this information its just not published? Maybe I am just looking at
> this the wrong way?
>
>
> Matt Lewis
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/05/2009 05:04 PM, Ferenc Szekely wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > penguinbait wrote:
> >
> >> OK, so I now go look at 9.10-07
> >> 9.10-07      Server migration        Must    Ferenc
> >> <http://maemo.org/profile/view/feri/>        0%      Servers will be
> available in
> >> November only.
> >>
> >> Why will Servers be available in November only?  Is there a purchase
> >> your waiting for, a delivery, some code to move, what does this mean?
> >> To me a migration consists of plenty of steps prior to getting a
> >> physical box.  I assume ideas and plans for the migration have been
> >> discussed and laid out, wouldn't this be greater than 0%.
> >>
> >>
> > I don't know if all the HW is available at the ISP, but what I was told
> > is that they will start putting the machines to the rack, connecting
> > cables, setting up firewalls, routers, other network elements in
> > November. Why? Probably due to paper work between them an Nokia, perhaps
> > some resource scheduling, perhaps delayed purchasing. All the work I did
> > regarding migration in October was a meeting with Tero and commenting on
> > a preliminary server map written by the ISP (comments: 2-3 sentences in
> > an email). I don't consider this a progress, hence 0% reported. For
> > obvious reasons we do not review server plans in the public. For other
> > reasons the guys from the new ISP will not report progress publicly.
> >
> > Things started to move forward this week only. Yesterday I sent an email
> > about our current server map to the ISP and reported it in #maemork [1].
> > Did you miss it?
> >
> >
> >> I went to the maemork and read, but I don't see anything about these
> >> tasks, nothing informative anyway.
> >>
> >>
> > You found nothing about server move, because nothing happened. It is no
> > one's fault. I am on alert with a couple of guys and will be installing
> > services as soon as we get the machines. The community will hear from
> > the progress.
> >
> >
> >> I guess I am looking for a way to actually see whats going on without
> >> asking different people questions about every task in the list.  It
> >> would be much cleaner to periodically report status and in one location,
> >> which would also save on mis-communication and perceived attitudes when
> >> people ask questions.
> >>
> >>
> > The #maemork channel [2] on qaiku.com is the place for "semi real time"
> > status reporting, isn't it? Personally I don't mind copy-pasting my
> > qaiku messages to an email, if somebody would prefer that. I just see no
> > added value in it.
> >
> >
> >> This all stemmed from me trying to get involved to help in any way with
> >> the SSO task as it is VERY important to ME.  I finally found out that
> >> the task is actually not 0% and its waiting for another task to
> >> complete.  So prior to sending out an email to Ferenc asking if there
> >> was anyway I could help with that task, I decided to find out what the
> >> heck I am supposed to be reading to find this out.
> >>
> >>
> > SSO: please talk to Daniel [3] and Alexey [4]. I am not involved with
> > SSO. One thing for sure: server migration comes without SSO.
> >
> >
> >> I point this out as I believe I am far from the only one with this
> >> confusion and I think its an obstacle to getting more people involved on
> >> a project or task.  Furthermore I really don't think 4-5 edits in a wiki
> >> a month is too much to ask for.  Although hating wiki's myself, I am not
> >> against another form to provide status updates, as long as they are
> >> consistent among tasks and easy to find.
> >>
> >>
> > I always report _if_ there is progress made.
> >
> >
> >> As a council member, I believe its my job to get more people and the
> >> right people involved in the tasks that I think benefit the community.
> >> The difficulty became for me finding out what people are working on and
> >> what roadblocks or obstacles are in there way.
> >>
> >>
> > Sure thing, I know the rules. Talking about myself only: I am happy to
> > inform you, or anybody about my tasks, progress, whatever related to
> > Maemo. I did not receive many questions about my activities in the past,
> > maybe this will change now. No problem, I will be happy answering your
> > questions. If I am not able to answer I will tell you whom else to
> > contact ;)
> >
> >
> >> While I do not want to become another obstacle to any task, I would like
> >> to see more informative status updates be placed into the Sprint pages.
> >> Especially on any sprint task with the priority of "must".
> >>
> >>
> > Agreed.
> >
> >
> >> Matt Lewis
> >>
> >>
> > Br,
> > ferenc
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork/view/1dec9b12cc931c8c9b111dea843f1561d5250d250d2/
> >
> > [2] maemork - status reports from maemo staff
> > http://www.qaiku.com/channels/show/maemork
> >
> > [3] Daniel's maemo profile
> > http://maemo.org/profile/view/danielwilms/
> >
> > [4] Alexey's maemo profile
> > http://maemo.org/profile/view/indeyets/
> >
> >
>
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