[maemo-community] Fwd: Election announcement article (formatting & questions)
From: Sunny B sunnyb7532 at gmail.comDate: Thu Aug 18 18:11:14 EEST 2011
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On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Andrew Flegg <andrew at bleb.org> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 15:16, Sunny B <sunnyb7532 at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The wording is still to be debated (until August 22nd). I don't > > know why you are unclear about what the referendum is deciding. > > I'm "unclear" on the extent of the referendum and the options. > However, as you say: > > > But I guess debating the wording will provide additional clarity. > > Indeed. I quote: > > "GOVERNANCE REFERENDUM - Due to Nokia's announcement that it will stop > funding for maemo.org in 2012, there will be a referendum and a vote > to determine the future of maemo.org. There will be an opportunity to > vote in favor of updating the role of Council so that it can organize > a form of governance for the community OR in favor of winding down > maemo.org when the funding stops (thus making new form of governance > unnecessary)." > > Is this a binary selection: > > "Should the Community Council form a governance structure which > sees the continued survival of maemo.org without Nokia involvement? > > [ ] Yes > [ ] No" > > Yes, like this but "Should the Community Council be authorized so that it can form..." I might also say not limit it to maemo.org but say "support of maemo devices and survival of maemo-based and derived open source software" in case Nokia refuses to let us continue to use maemo.org. > Is this a selection between options: > > "What action should the Community Council take in preparation for > Nokia's withdrawal of funding for maemo.org infrastructure? > > [ ] Nothing > [ ] Find additional sponsors > [ ] Open a PayPal fund > [ ] Join an existing organisation (e.g. LF, SPI, Debian, ...) > [ ] ..." > > I would say no to this form of the question. It should be a referendum on the major issues that allows us to proceed not a poll on how to proceed. > Is it something else? That's what I'm not clear on, and why I asked > about the wording. > > > At least the primary issue is whether maemo.org should be wound > > down when Nokia funding stops. > > Indeed, and then there's all sorts of things when you say something like: > > > The results of the referendum will be binding on the incoming council. > > Really? That's not been discussed, so where did it come from? What > happens if the Council decides the landscape has fundamentally shifted > again? (e.g. Nokia changes its strategy, gives all maemo.org users > N9s, ...) Are they bound to continue a course of action which is then > widely considered to be incorrect? > Well, like I said above I think the referendum should be whether or not to * authorize* Council to implement a governance structure - not to decide a specific structure or a specific course of action. So a broad decision such as to establish a non-profit foundation is not going to be affected by changing circumstances. It is the nature of referendum that it makes a binding decision. I would like the referendum to address and decide the issue that is impeding the community's ability to move forward. I do not want to see maemo.org wound down, but if that's the vote, then I'll abide by it (if I am a council member). > > What's "maemo.org"? If there's a transition plan to shutdown > garage.maemo.org but continue running lists.maemo.org, is that > "continuing maemo.org"? > > All things which need to be considered when using words like > "binding", IMNSHO. Especially if options might not consider the > nuances like someone wanting to vote for "maemo.org can be 'wound > down' as long as there is a software building & distribution > mechanism, repository and some form of QA processes [even if it's > manual decisions by the packager]; but these are the things which must > be continued at all costs". Such thoughts could lead one to ask people > to prioritise the services they want, for example. However, that > rapidly gets complicated and horrible to manage in terms of the > election. > Agreed, it is important to strike the right balance with this referendum - giving Council the authority but not tieing their hands. > > Cheers, > > Andrew > > [1] "due to Nokia's announcement that it will stop funding for > maemo.org in 2012" - *Niels* has said "In reality, the servers will > stay on until 31-12-2012" in the meeting you had[2]. Can you confirm > what *Nokia* has said, rather than a Nemein contractor? Will Nemein > turn the servers off at that point no matter if someone steps forward > to cover the costs (which *will* need to be published at a high-level > if we're to realistically work out if there's a viable continuation > plan)? > > [2] http://www.mwkn.net/2011/33/community.html#community-2 > > -- > Andrew Flegg -- mailto:andrew at bleb.org | http://www.bleb.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-community/attachments/20110818/07776f21/attachment.htm>
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