[maemo-community] Maemo Meeting Minutes 26 March 2011, 1400 UTC...

[From: Sunny B]

Jeremiah,

Thanks for your message and invitation.  The new Maemo Council will consider
your comments and we'll get back to you soon.

Rob Bauer

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Jeremiah C. Foster <
jeremiah at jeremiahfoster.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 27, 2011 at 02:55:13PM -0700, Tim Samoff wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I'd like to say to the Maemo Council, old and new, that there is an
> excellent way to move Maemo forward. Not just as a legacy operating
> system for Nokia devices, but even for newer devices. That way
> forward is through Debian.
>
> Debian has the advantage of being non-commercial and completely open
> from beginning to end. It hosts infrastructure, build farms, mailing
> lists and IRC which maemo.org can use. Most importantly, decisions
> made in Debian will not be undermined by shifting commercial interests
> that do not take into consideration the investment of individual
> developers.
>
> Many Debian developers have N900s and would be happy to see more Maemo
> devs in their midst. There are also Debian developers who have joined
> Maemo and contributed directly to Maemo since Maemo is buit on Debian,
> so the two communities are linked. To strengthen that link, I'd like
> to ask everyone on this list to participate here:
> http://wiki.debian.org/Derivatives/Census/Maemo
>
> That is the entry place for Debian developers and users to get
> involved in Maemo. I think the council has a responsibility to make
> sure that page is up to date and well taken care of. I'm currently
> listed as the contact person, but I think someone from the council
> would be much better at that position. I kindly request that the council
> consider taking on this responsibility.
>
> I'd also like to ask the council members, in fact everyone from the
> Maemo community, to consider joining the Debian-derivatives mailing
> list. You can do so by going to the Debian Derivatives Front Desk:
> http://wiki.debian.org/DerivativesFrontDesk
>
> I'm on that mailing list as is the current Debian Project Leader who
> has worked very hard with other Debian Developers to create a vibrant
> resource for derivatives to contribute to Debian and for Debian to
> contribute to derivatives. This cooperation is very important and
> works to enocurage the health of the overall Debian community.
>
> Thanks for caring about Maemo and Open Source software in general and
> I hope to see everyone on debian-derivatives.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeremiah
>
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > Sorry for the delay in meeting minutes. I want to tank everyone who
> > attended. As you'll see, the attendance list only includes those who
> > are/were members of the Maemo Community Council. But, I really
> > appreciate the others who graced us with their presence.
> >
> > This meeting ended up being almost two-hours long (one hour longer than
> > intended and an hour after I had to leave). This being said, I don't
> > know if I adequately included all of the important points from the
> > meeting below. If you're interested, it would be best to read the
> > meeting transcript[1] yourself.
> >
> > In Attendance...
> >
> > Outgoing Council:
> > * Andrew Flegg (Jaffa)
> > * Tim Samoff (timsamoff)
> > * Attila Chipa (achipa) - beginning at 1650 UTC
> >
> > Incoming Council:
> > * Alan Bruce (qole)
> > * RM Bauer (SD69)
> > * Felipe Crochik (fcrochik)
> > * Attila Chipa (achipa) - beginning at 1650 UTC
> >
> > Agenda/Notes:
> > 1. Introductions
> >
> > * Call for new Council to choose a Chair (this will be accomplished this
> > week via the council@ email address).
> >
> > 2. What was done during last term
> >
> > * The legal ownership of maemo.org was handed over to the community,
> > with Nemein (Henri Bergius as main point of contact) managing it on our
> > behalf. There are now only three members of the maemo.org team, all
> > part-time. X-Fade (Niels Breet) webmaster; Andre Klapper (andre)
> > bugmaster; Reggie Suplido (Reggie) talkmaster. Nemein have further
> > budget which equates to one full time person.
> >
> > * The Council was involved in the sponsorship of people for the MeeGo
> > Conference from a "handset" background.
> >
> > * The Council sponsored the Maemo 5 Community SSU; providing support &
> > advice to MohammadAG; dealing with the thread on bugs.maemo.org and
> > helping triage the bugs (j.mp/communityssu-bugs).
> >
> > * Passed on a refresh license change request queue request from
> > DocScrutinizer & jonwil to Quim.
> >
> > * Asked Tero (tekojo) about maemo.org funding, given the concern voiced
> > from the community after Feb 11th.
> >
> > * Held a brainstorm redux meeting with the maemo.org team to work out
> > how the Maemo Brainstorm items were progressing.
> >
> > * More work on community bug reporting process, liaising with Qt
> > maintainers around Qt versions in Extras-devel, and liaising with Forum
> > Nokia folks who are doing Qt hotfixes.
> >
> > * Ramped up efforts to keep Council visible via Council blog on m.o.
> >
> > 3. What was not done during last term
> >
> > * Getting a handle on the maemo.org staff & Nemein. Despite committing
> > to come up with a community involvement process (to help lighten their
> > workload), it's often a black hole. Problems need to be chased sometimes
> > to support at nemein.com email address to raise a ticket in their internal
> > system.
> >
> > * Andre is still doing lots of work in Bugzilla triaging bugs both for
> > the CSSU and Extras projects.
> >
> > * Niels is still helping to set up the Community OBS which can be used
> > for MeeGo, Fremantle and Harmattan; but there's no clearly communicated
> > plan for transitioning to it from the autobuilder, but the committed-to
> > donations system for maemo.org/downloads hasn't been worked on at all;
> > nor is there any documentation about the structure (AFAICT) of maemo.org
> .
> >
> > * Council/Community should have a root access process concerning admin
> > and maintenance of maemo.org, but the details are still up in the air.
> >
> > * Council isn't involved in MeeGo Conf sponsorship decisions for SF in
> May.
> >
> > * Justify the Council (the new Council needs to figure out of they are
> > the last Council or not; how the Q2 Council may differ from preceding
> ones).
> >
> > 4. Past Council reflections/comments
> >
> > * There's increasing pressure from the MeeGo community, and some
> > Intelians, that Nokia *don't* get an exception to call Harmattan MeeGo.
> > This might put a big spanner in the works for the Harmattan community.
> >
> > * Development and marketing of the CSSU needs to ramp up and become much
> > more organized.
> >
> > * Thoughts about the Maemo Community shrinking over the next year or
> > so... So, the Council will have to be quite vocal in organizing
> > community efforts (site maintenance, app dev, etc.).
> >
> >
> > 5. New Council comments/questions
> >
> > * Many questions about Council Chair, m.o root access, funded employees
> > of m.o, CSSU, etc. Most of these questions are, as yet, unanswered.
> >
> > * Questions about "friendliness" and cooperation between Maemo and
> > MeeGo, of which the outgoing Council answered "yes."
> >
> > * Talk of the Community OBS. X-Fade and lbt are the folks involved, and
> > there've been some comms about it on meego-* mailing lists.
> >
> > * Comments about the Council taking on a bridging role between
> > forum.meego.com and talk.maemo.org.
> >
> > * Has there been discussion about open source activities around next
> > Nokia device? Not yet. There are two schools of thought - it's a
> > dead-end, don't bother OR we can make it such a success that Nokia's
> > board reconsiders their medium-term plans...
> >
> > * It will be tricky getting a centralized forum for the Harmattan
> > community. It was hard enough with t.m.o. and the mailing lists, and no
> > one has a clear vision about a "Harmattan Community." Should maemo.org
> > just assume to be the place for the Harmattan community forum? Meego.com
> > forums are a no-go, at least that was dawn/quim's stance a while back.
> > The question is why exactly do we need another forum? Just because of
> > the name? It might also become obvious once it's clear if harmattan will
> > be "marketed" as Maemo 6, meego or something completely new.
> >
> > * Do we have any "hard figures" on how the community has changed since
> > the beginning of Mmeego?
> >
> > * More questions about the maemo.org infrastructure and how it will
> > continue. Neiman will play an important role in this.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/%23maemo-meeting.2011-03-26.log.html
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