[maemo-community] [Testingsquad-list] Testing/QA refresh

[From: Iván Gálvez Junquera]

Hi all,

I'm sharing the spreadsheet
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AubSh-ONkzPndFN3ZFBKMUJOb05tdV9Ub3oyaHFKZ0E&output=html>I'm
using to keep track of applications ready for promotion, the status and
whose developers I've contacted with.

As previously agreed, all applications with enough votes and free of
suspicious issues that are unmaintained will be auto-promoted. However we
will need someone to do the promotion and, as you already know, our
maintenance muscle is right now almost non existent.

In order to start the migration to self sustained infrastructure process,
the Council contacted with X-Fade a few weeks ago, trying to obtain some
administrative rights over current infrastructure. This way we would be
able to improve our current maintenance status and start gathering a
working group for administration tasks.

He agreed to grant the administrative rights to the repository web
interface to merlin1991, as a first step in the handover process. Now we
are just waiting him to actually give merlin1991 that permission so he
could start doing some maintenance tasks on Fremantle repositories.

Once we have at least one administrator we could start tasks like this one
for promotion of packages.

Regards
2012/7/19 Iván Gálvez Junquera <ivgalvez at gmail.com>

> Hi all,
>
> So far, I have contacted with the maintainers of the following
> applications:
>
>    - *Wizard-mounter*
>    - Cloudy Blue Sky Theme
>    - Arabic localization (free)
>    - D-THEME Futureal
>    - *Exult Digital Audio*
>    - LastGo
>    - Granule
>    - Hdrcapture
>    - *Lowlight *-> maintainer unreachable (no longer working at Nokia)
>    - lockdaemon
>    - Situare
>    - D-THEME BlackAndRed
>    - *N900-i18n-zh_HK*
>    - *pebble-do *-> promotion rejected by maintainer
>    - woller
>    - PSFreedom
>    - grr
>    - tvcplayer
>    - InfoZIP's Zip
>    - *nextalarm*
>    - K9 Call
>    - Pidgin Extra Protocols (Bonjour and Sametime)
>    - Noor Quran Viewer
>    - Multilist
>    - mprayertime
>    - *qTraductor*
>    - tvbgone
>    - Columbus Core Plugins
>    - Columbus Navigation Toolkit
>    - youtube-dl
>    - DrLaunch
>    - Wordpress
>    - mbarcode-plugins-all
>    - SyncEvolution
>    - papertoss
>    - clocksn900
>    - *Crochik MyContacts*
>    - SomePlayer
>    - SomeCover
>    - CSSU Tuner
>    - Series Watcher
>    - *GPS Track Logger Widget* -> maintainer unreachable (no longer
>    working at Nokia)
>    - *Neverball*
>
> Applications in bold green have been promoted to Extras, for the rest I
> haven't received answer so I assume (except for a few of the last emails
> recently sent) that they are unmaintained.
>
> Most of them (as previously discussed) will be autopromoted.
>
> And still working on it...
>
> Regards
>
> 2012/5/10 Iván Gálvez Junquera <ivgalvez at gmail.com>
>
>> Thanks for the feedback, I'll try to contact all the maintainers for
>> packages that don't present any doubt. For those without active maintainers
>> we could then ask X-Fade to promote them.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> 2012/5/9 Marcin M. <marmistrzmar at linux.pl>
>>
>> I didn't experience any problem with qt-components. Even MeeGo apps such
>>> as Allegro  (Polish app) work alright.
>>> I only got segmentation fault with widgets gallery.
>>> --
>>> Marcin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2012/5/9 Timo Härkönen <timop.harkonen at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> 2012/5/9 Iván Gálvez Junquera <ivgalvez at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't know if you finally received the complete list as it seems
>>>>> that the message (due to the size of attached file) needed moderation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah. it came through.
>>>>
>>>> Most of them seem to be clear cases that could be promoted without
>>>> further action. Might be good idea to hold the ones that have any negative
>>>> votes back for further examination or remove from testing in case of clear
>>>> issues. If some apps use the compatibility plugin then they use it. should
>>>> work either way. afaik it's only a symlink anyway. otah it should be there
>>>> for people who are not using cssu. We should not force people who are
>>>> installing applications from extras to install cssu. But yeah,
>>>> qt-components needs some  more attention/testing. If it is not maintained
>>>> then imo it needs a new maintainer before even thinking about promoting it.
>>>>
>>>> Timo
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2012/5/7 Iván Gálvez Junquera <ivgalvez at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> OK, here is the complete list of applications that can be promoted. I
>>>>>> still need to add the TMO relevant threads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2012/5/7 Iván Gálvez Junquera <ivgalvez at gmail.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I supposed that the criteria for promoting a package had already
>>>>>>> changed to only require one tester vote (or was it two votes?).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway I can see packages I voted for, that should be enabled to be
>>>>>>> promoted, as they have even two Tester votes, and yet are waiting to
>>>>>>> receive more votes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the meantime I'm collecting information about applications ready
>>>>>>> for promotion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please see the attached spreadsheet containing the details for
>>>>>>> applications that need their maintainers to push them into Extras. At this
>>>>>>> moment it only contains applications from the first QA page, I'll add the
>>>>>>> rest after receiving some feedback.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can see that some applications, even with the criteria
>>>>>>> fulfilled, don't have many positive votes or have some negative votes that
>>>>>>> might worth to investigate.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have included contact data for maintainers, but I have realized
>>>>>>> that most of them simply don't allow PM messages in their profiles, so the
>>>>>>> question is: how to contact with them?. I would also like to add the
>>>>>>> relevant TMO thread links and contact with the authors both by PM (or
>>>>>>> automatic message) and with a comment in TMO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2012/4/27 Timo Härkönen <timop.harkonen at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 27. huhtikuuta 2012 21.04 robert bauer <nybauer at gmail.com>kirjoitti:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The threshold for promotion was already decided after mailing list
>>>>>>>>> and tmo threads.  I don't want to revisit that issue again except to
>>>>>>>>> implement it.  We didn't decide what to do with packages that have no
>>>>>>>>> maintainer so we can discuss that some more.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ok. no need to go back to it but imo we need to make a bit more
>>>>>>>> noise about the solution and make it happen. Is the solution documented to
>>>>>>>> wiki or something that we can refer to?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As for the cases where packages are suck because there is no action
>>>>>>>> from maintainer possibilities basically are (imo) automatic promotions,
>>>>>>>> kicking them out of testing or the middle ground where we hand pick
>>>>>>>> packages that get promoted or kicked out (requires too much manual labor
>>>>>>>> imo). All solutions have their up and down sides. Personally I'm still in
>>>>>>>> favour of the automatic promotion. Say if the package has the needed votes
>>>>>>>> and no action from the maintainer within a week it geta promoted. The
>>>>>>>> maintainer could stop the promotion by down voting the package. it that
>>>>>>>> case other votes would be totally ignored. That might cause more buggy
>>>>>>>> stuff getting through but I don't see how that is worse than the current
>>>>>>>> stale mate.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That would still leave the final big issue - lack of testers. I'd
>>>>>>>> actually like to see a bi-weekly IRC testing meeting that someone proposed
>>>>>>>> at some point. Basically something like two hours of chatting on irc and
>>>>>>>> going through the queue. Would at least help to get the more problematic
>>>>>>>> packages to test get through. IMO stuck queue thing needs to be resolved
>>>>>>>> first befere this kind of meeting would make sense.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Timo
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:24 AM, Timo Härkönen <
>>>>>>>>> timop.harkonen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 27. huhtikuuta 2012 12.51 robert bauer <nybauer at gmail.com>kirjoitti:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:00 AM, robert bauer <nybauer at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Niels should be available to discuss.  So ping him
>>>>>>>>>>>> again and try to move this along.  Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Has there been discussion yet with Niels?  Please let me know if
>>>>>>>>>>> there hasn't and I will push.  Contact me if there are problems (other than
>>>>>>>>>>> the amount of testing to be done).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think the QA discussion got buried by the OBS thing so we need
>>>>>>>>>> to reactivate this topic. How about if we collect all the provided
>>>>>>>>>> input/ideas for a solution to the QA problem put them to the wiki, send a
>>>>>>>>>> mail adventizing it to -developers, -community and a post on tmo. and set a
>>>>>>>>>> date for a irc meeting to try get decicions made and things rolling with
>>>>>>>>>> this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Although the OBS move will eventually have an affect on QA as
>>>>>>>>>> well but that doesn't help in the short term so we need to come up with
>>>>>>>>>> something..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -Timo
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 6:19 AM, Iván Gálvez Junquera <
>>>>>>>>>>>> ivgalvez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok Rob, thanks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/3/26 robert bauer <nybauer at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You, demolition and ammyt should have supertester permissions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now (except for vi_ since I couldn't find his garage account).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Iván Gálvez Junquera <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ivgalvez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I meant that even if you are able to grant tester
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permissions to me and more people without the administrator's help, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> won't be able to promote packages that have already fulfil the criteria and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are stacked in testing because their original maintainers are missing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/3/24 robert bauer <nybauer at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there any reason we can't test the packages that still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have a maintainer?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 11:42 AM, Iván Gálvez Junquera <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ivgalvez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Rob,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I agree with you, but even though, how could we promote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> packages without their original maintainer pushing them?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/3/16 robert bauer <nybauer at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Niels, Henri,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you please reply?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ivan,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll add the new supertesters if I can.  It seems that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> testing refocus should start now.  Will have to work out change in package
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promotion rules in the future since it seems Niels doesn't want to bother
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with maemo anymore.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 9:04 AM, robert bauer <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nybauer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is just support at nemein.com.  Unfortunately, delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is not unusual these days - all you can do is wait.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 4:25 AM, Iván Gálvez Junquera <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ivgalvez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we haven't receive any answer from Henri or Niels,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it would be probably not possible to arrange the IRC meeting  today. We can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> try next week.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rob, do you know any other contact for Maemo.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administration tasks?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/3/6 Iván Gálvez Junquera <ivgalvez at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OK, I obviously confused the terms as the QA list of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> packages at Maemo.org shows votes indicating the voter as "Tester" instead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "Supertester". In fact all the TMO discussion we already had, considered
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Supertester would be a different role than Tester. You can see the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion in this thread<http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82374>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Correcting my previous email:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Rationale:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lack of testers and maintainers for applications have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> derived in a lot of applications getting stuck at Extras Testing  even if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are suitable for promotion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We have even reach a situation in which most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications are not even promoted by their developers to Testing (from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Devel) due to the difficulty to promote to Extras. The whole promotion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system is perceived as useless.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Solution:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering that Maemo community is shrinking, we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot continue with the actual process. We need to both fix some issues in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the whole process of promotion and also grant more administrative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> privileges to Supertesters.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *New members proposed as Supertesters:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These people have been suggested to become new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Supertesters:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Demolition
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vi_
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ammyt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ivgalvez
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please any one else interested in become a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Superster send an email to this mailing list.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Proposed changes for the promotion process:*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This should be the easiest part of the changes that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are proposing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Promotion of applications from Testing to Extras
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be automatic once the requirements are fulfilled. No need of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maintainer to actively promoting the application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This will allow orphaned applications to be promoted.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Only one Supertester vote, enough to promote an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Five User votes, enough to promote an application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We are running out of man power.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All other criteria could be maintained as they are now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Proposed new permissions/abilities for Supertesters:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Add a new developer to maintainer list of any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Delete a package from the repository.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Edit bugtracker link.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Ability to promote a package not only from Testing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Extras but also from Devel to Testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Ability to downgrade a package from Extras to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Testing, and even to Devel.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - Ability to prevent automatic promotion of a package
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Testing to Extras (to avoid popular but potentially dangerous app to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be promoted automatically if reached the number of user votes needed).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So we should try to keep IRC conversation on how to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> achieve those points (already discussed at TMO).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please Henri and Niels, can you provide any preference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on when to have that meeting?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/3/6 Andrew Flegg <andrew at bleb.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2012/3/6 Iván Gálvez Junquera <ivgalvez at gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > If creating a new role (Supertesters) could be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problematic from an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > administration point of view, I think we can simply
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grant more abilities to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > already existing Testers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Supertesters already exist. I think you need to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> careful not to look
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like the current process is misunderstood when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proposing changes :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > - Only one Tester vote, enough to promote an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > - Five User votes, enough to promote an application.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there a current role of "tester"? AIUI, there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> two roles:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  * Logged in user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  * Supertester
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The "Testing Squad" and "testers" are just people,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> self-organising via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this list, which commit to test multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applications; even ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they're not usually interested in. They fit into the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first role.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Supertesters" were introduced to deal with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bottleneck or stalemate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to help get things over the hurdle which were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat niche and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> needed more testing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It would probably also be worth shining more light on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this topic and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linking up with the apps.formeego.org QA process so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that similar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> missteps can be avoided for Harmattan apps.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, bergie &
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> X-Fade are already intimately involved with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delivery there, but it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> might be worth engaging the wider development
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> community who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> affected by this kind of change.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Andrew Flegg -- mailto:andrew at bleb.org  |
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.bleb.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iván Gálvez Junquera
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Iván Gálvez Junquera
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